Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Diogenes the Cynic]

You watch, the media will be doing their utmost now to get the footy banned for *checks notes* players (people tested twice a week in a sterile bubble) hugging after a goal.

Schools are shut, so suppose they need something else to cause hysteria about.

Special needs schools are open, fully staffed and full classes.

Parents aren't in work more than any others so why are they open?

If it's for respite for parents it's unacceptable putting teachers at risk.

Get them shut.

 

[BlueToff]

Nope it's against their Covid infection control guidelines, it was lazy practice.

But this is what I mean.

I'm not defending the person, but they are working on the front line I guess (or in emergency situations).

It's not like they can just magic up replacements when the NHS is so stretched as it is? So they may think they have to work.

My housemate was ill but she basically had a bit of a fever. Like, she was a bit tired, drained and had one night of a fever. But had to end up having four days off work. For really, nothing. And in those four days she could have potentially helped save a life.

It's a pretty difficult situation to be in and phoning in sick if you work in an office is surely not the same as phoning in sick if you work in an NHS crisis team?

People bang on about sick pay etc, and that's right to an extent, but my point has been for a few weeks now, there's more factors in play than someone just worrying about money. It might genuinely be the issue that there is simply not enough staff because the staff are isolating - in fact, that was definitely an issue earlier in the pandemic, and that will cost lives.

 

[BlueToff]

Special needs schools are open, fully staffed and full classes.

Parents aren't in work more than any others so why are they open?

If it's for respite for parents it's unacceptable putting teachers at risk.

Get them shut.

They were open in March, April, May and June too. They are for key workers' staff.

Yes, I'd imagine people on the NHS front line are currently in work more than plenty of other people right now.

You want to see special needs schools shut? Places that are literally created to care for and nurture vulnerable children?

Please, perspective.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

But this is what I mean.

I'm not defending the person, but they are working on the front line I guess (or in emergency situations).

It's not like they can just magic up replacements when the NHS is so stretched as it is? So they may think they have to work.

My housemate was ill but she basically had a bit of a fever. Like, she was a bit tired, drained and had one night of a fever. But had to end up having four days off work. For really, nothing. And in those four days she could have potentially helped save a life.

It's a pretty difficult situation to be in and phoning in sick if you work in an office is surely not the same as phoning in sick if you work in an NHS crisis team?

People bang on about sick pay etc, and that's right to an extent, but my point has been for a few weeks now, there's more factors in play than someone just worrying about money. It might genuinely be the issue that there is simply not enough staff because the staff are isolating - in fact, that was definitely an issue earlier in the pandemic, and that will cost lives.

They have guidelines for a reason, they are all given rapid tests boxes and are testing themselves at home.

Now a significant part of the team is off because the people on shift didn't follow best practice.

Absolute basics, no excuse.

 

[BlueToff]

They have guidelines for a reason, they are all given rapid tests boxes and are testing themselves at home.

Now a significant part of the team is off because the people on shift didn't follow best practice.

Absolute basics, no excuse.

What is the procedure for replacing staff?

What does the person do?

I imagine they are a vital worker. I imagine they did it with the best intentions of trying to help people.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

They were open in March, April, May and June too. They are for key workers' staff.

Yes, I'd imagine people on the NHS front line are currently in work more than plenty of other people right now.

You want to see special needs schools shut? Places that are literally created to care for and nurture vulnerable children?

Please, perspective.

Currently they are nurturing a deadly virus.

They aren't just open for key workers staff, classes are full.

Shut them and save lives.

 

[BlueToff]

Currently they are nurturing a deadly virus.

They aren't just open for key workers staff, classes are full.

Shut them and save lives.

Yes, they are.

Anybody who isn't a key worker cannot send their kids to school. Even a lot of people who do class as key workers will not be sending their kids to school.

What is the evidence to support your claim?

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

What is the procedure for replacing staff?

What does the person do?

I imagine they are a vital worker. I imagine they did it with the best intentions of trying to help people.

Procedure would be to cover it across the team and use of bank staff. This particular trust has excellent staffing levels meaning virtually no use of agency. There are multiple Crisis Teams which already utilise crossover of staff to good effect.

 

[BlueToff]

Procedure would be to cover it across the team and use of bank staff. This particular trust has excellent staffing levels meaning virtually no use of agency. There are multiple Crisis Teams which already utilise crossover of staff to good effect.

Okay, so that should have been done. What do you think are the factors behind that person working a long shift? Did they have covid coming in, and not test, or did they pick up covid during the shift?

Were they simply trying to do their best during a pandemic and help people. You know, do their job?

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Yes, they are.

Anybody who isn't a key worker cannot send their kids to school. Even a lot of people who do class as key workers will not be sending their kids to school.

What is the evidence to support your claim?

I have a close family member who is teaching a virtually full class at a Special Needs school. Anecdotal but the source is in my eyes impeccable.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Okay, so that should have been done. What do you think are the factors behind that person working a long shift? Did they have covid coming in, and not test, or did they pick up covid during the shift?

Were they simply trying to do their best during a pandemic and help people. You know, do their job?

No.

Not sure why you're so hell bent on defending people who can't follow simple infection control guidelines.

 

[BlueToff]

I have a close family member who is teaching a virtually full class at a Special Needs school. Anecdotal but the source is in my eyes impeccable.

That's a special needs school which, correct me if I'm wrong, are staying fully or all-but fully open?

I thought you were referring to 'normal' schools, and in that case you would have been wrong as it is only key workers' kids who can go.

I also have a friend who is a teacher. I am not trying to discredit the job they are doing, but they are doing it and getting on with it because that's what people do. Schools that are open for key workers' kids will be taking very secure steps as they did back in the first lockdown.

 

[BlueToff]

No.

Not sure why you're so hell bent on defending people who can't follow simple infection control guidelines.

No to what?

I'm not. I'm just wondering if you knew the reasons behind it because you were demonising someone.

They clearly shouldn't have done it, if there was adequate cover etc. But were their reasons for doing it monetary (and that's where the statutory sick pay thing comes in) or were there other reasons?

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

That's a special needs school which, correct me if I'm wrong, are staying fully or all-but fully open?

I thought you were referring to 'normal' schools, and in that case you would have been wrong as it is only key workers' kids who can go.

I also have a friend who is a teacher. I am not trying to discredit the job they are doing, but they are doing it and getting on with it because that's what people do. Schools that are open for key workers' kids will be taking very secure steps as they did back in the first lockdown.

No i understand schools should be open for key worker's children (although how that is being abused is another story), i was referring to Special needs schools. The one im referring to and which my family member works at has full classes and social distancing is impossible due to the needs of some of the children. The only measure put in place is that classes don't mix and if one person tests positive then the whole class is sent home. The teachers are just getting on with it but why should they without adequate protection? Why if they aren't key worker children do they need to be in school? They are with their families on school holidays, weekends. evenings. I'm sorry but a brief period of their education should not trump the risk to human life.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

No to what?

I'm not. I'm just wondering if you knew the reasons behind it because you were demonising someone.

They clearly shouldn't have done it, if there was adequate cover etc. But were their reasons for doing it monetary (and that's where the statutory sick pay thing comes in) or were there other reasons?

As far as i can tell (speaking to people who work there) it was down to nonchalance.

Unacceptable.