Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

The only thing I would say is it's very precise reporting 50%. Given when it's the American German or are own vaccine, a range is given over 2 doses. If the main stream media want to avoid a accusations of bias it's need to report with the same definitions clearly identified. Not doing so will and does lead to misinformation.

Ingesting listening listening to Van Tam just now, UK longer spacing is down to supply. COVID won't be going away with vaccine. How long vaccine works who knows.

The notion of criticising a country with Covid19 under control when the UK is the world's basket case is a disgrace.

 

[davek]

The only thing I would say is it's very precise reporting 50%. Given when it's the American German or are own vaccine, a range is given over 2 doses. If the main stream media want to avoid a accusations of bias it's need to report with the same definitions clearly identified. Not doing so will and does lead to misinformation.

Ingesting listening listening to Van Tam just now, UK longer spacing is down to supply. COVID won't be going away with vaccine. How long vaccine works who knows.

That's an utter shambles of a justification:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/jonathan-van-tam-defends-delay-covid-vaccine-second-doses/

 

[Charro]

As expected. 30% more movement now than back in March.

UK population movement falls 59%, compared to -89% in March - Oxford COVID-19 Monitor | University of Oxford

The latest data from Oxford’s COVID-19 Impact Monitor shows the January lockdown has, so far, had one third less national impact on movement than the March shutdown. The figures demonstrate that some regions are still moving at more than 50% of pre-pandemic levels, despite the tough restrictions...

www.ox.ac.uk

A lot more people are going into work.

 

[BlueToff]

So, my nan got vaccinated yesterday. My aunt (she's 60 this year but no underlying conditions, but she does care for my nana along with my mum) took her and they also offered the jab to my aunt too.

They did it because it ensures no wastage and another person who is caring for a vulnerable person has protection.

I see nothing wrong with it but interested to get people's thoughts.

Also, if you do care for a vulnerable person, then maybe take them into the centre for their jabs and you may just get offered one? My auntie didn't ask, they literally just asked her if she wanted it and obviously said yes.

My granddad (he's 81) also getting his tomorrow.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes they can. My wife works in schools and the key worker and vulnerable list is quite wide, which means they're currently on between 30%-60% attendance.

There are quite a few schools around the country looking at 70% above because the spectrum of who can attend. The key wording from the DfE is

"Those who may have difficulty engaging with remote education at home (for example due to a lack of devices or quiet space to study."

Without enough devices to provide to children so they can work at home, many schools are having an influx of pupils coming in, with % creeping up.

In terms of @Diogenes the Cynic, my wife says if they have an EHCP, which they'll will have if in a SEND school, they can go in so could easily be 100%.

OK, but I mean as you say the 'key worker' list is actually quite long.

I'm not saying that's right, but if you work in construction - for example - do you class as a key worker?

I believe the MDs of the company I work for (they're married, have two teenage kids) could actually have carried on sending their kids to school. But they didn't.

Anyway, we're not even yet seeing the impact this lockdown will have. We will see it in 2-3 weeks on the numbers. At the moment, we're seeing the Christmas effect.

Also, I'll add, that in my area that has been in Tier 3 all along since October (but that was schools and gyms open) numbers are still very low relatively.

 

[BlueToff]

UKHSA data dashboard

Showing public health data across England

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

This really tells its own story

 

[BlueToff]

This is the rolling data for my area.

The 'rolling rate' is calculated as such: "Seven–day rates are expressed per 100,000 population and are calculated by dividing the seven day count by the area population and multiplying by 100,000."

I'm not sure if this is the modelling issue which @Tubey was speaking of the other day?

Durkar and Crigglestone are much more densely populated than Woolley, Walton or Notton, which are small, rural villages. So I guess that it's because the case rate 'per 100,000' (based on that above calculation) is higher in those areas simply because the population of the places is lower? So if you have one outbreak, it will make the numbers look a fair bit worse?

 

[BlueDraka]

So, my nan got vaccinated yesterday. My aunt (she's 60 this year but no underlying conditions, but she does care for my nana along with my mum) took her and they also offered the jab to my aunt too.

They did it because it ensures no wastage and another person who is caring for a vulnerable person has protection.

I see nothing wrong with it but interested to get people's thoughts.

Also, if you do care for a vulnerable person, then maybe take them into the centre for their jabs and you may just get offered one? My auntie didn't ask, they literally just asked her if she wanted it and obviously said yes.

My granddad (he's 81) also getting his tomorrow.

Makes sense that they gsve it to the carer as well. Can I ask. Did she travel to get the jab. My wife's mum is 85, has cancer and has not been out since lockdown in March. Someone rang her about the jab she said she she gets her jab like flu at home. They said they will get back to her. That was 2 week ago. Just wondering if they are doing jabs at home as well

 

[BlueDraka]

Hope for city region as covid infection rates fall slightly

Caution urged as numbers remain very high, but some hope embattled region may have reached peak infection point

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[tsubaki]

OK, but I mean as you say the 'key worker' list is actually quite long.

I'm not saying that's right, but if you work in construction - for example - do you class as a key worker?

I believe the MDs of the company I work for (they're married, have two teenage kids) could actually have carried on sending their kids to school. But they didn't.

Anyway, we're not even yet seeing the impact this lockdown will have. We will see it in 2-3 weeks on the numbers. At the moment, we're seeing the Christmas effect.

Also, I'll add, that in my area that has been in Tier 3 all along since October (but that was schools and gyms open) numbers are still very low relatively.

It should be, in order:

NHS
Care Home staff
Food preparation (factories / abattoirs / farming etc)
Supermarket workers
Teachers
Police / Trumpton

 

[Charro]

OK, but I mean as you say the 'key worker' list is actually quite long.

I'm not saying that's right, but if you work in construction - for example - do you class as a key worker?

I believe the MDs of the company I work for (they're married, have two teenage kids) could actually have carried on sending their kids to school. But they didn't.

Anyway, we're not even yet seeing the impact this lockdown will have. We will see it in 2-3 weeks on the numbers. At the moment, we're seeing the Christmas effect.

Also, I'll add, that in my area that has been in Tier 3 all along since October (but that was schools and gyms open) numbers are still very low relatively.

Im a key worker and I’m a lazy civil servant working in my boxers everyday.

 

[BlueToff]

It should be, in order:

NHS
Care Home staff
Food preparation (factories / abattoirs / farming etc)
Supermarket workers
Teachers
Police / Trumpton

I'm not really sure how you can categorise it like that though because everybody has different circumstances.

Not like all of those people will be working 9-5 is it, for example, or others may not have a feasible support bubble to enable them to be able to ensure their kids are a) safe and b) doing what they should do schoolwise while they're at work.

I don't know what the answer is though. It seemed they found a relatively okay solution in the first lockdown.

 

[BlueToff]

This is the rolling data for my area.

The 'rolling rate' is calculated as such: "Seven–day rates are expressed per 100,000 population and are calculated by dividing the seven day count by the area population and multiplying by 100,000."

I'm not sure if this is the modelling issue which @Tubey was speaking of the other day?

Durkar and Crigglestone are much more densely populated than Woolley, Walton or Notton, which are small, rural villages. So I guess that it's because the case rate 'per 100,000' (based on that above calculation) is higher in those areas simply because the population of the places is lower? So if you have one outbreak, it will make the numbers look a fair bit worse?

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Anyway, I looks like they've grouped the villages of Woolley, Bretton and Walton together (seems strange as Walton is a good 15 min drive away yet is about 2 minutes from Crofton right next to it).

17 cases across the three villages but that obviously puts it in the darker blue

 

[BlueToff]

Makes sense that they gsve it to the carer as well. Can I ask. Did she travel to get the jab. My wife's mum is 85, has cancer and has not been out since lockdown in March. Someone rang her about the jab she said she she gets her jab like flu at home. They said they will get back to her. That was 2 week ago. Just wondering if they are doing jabs at home as well

Well my nan was told to shield back in March. She's 80 and has dementia which is getting worse, so she dosn't really understand what's going on.

I'm chuffed she's got it but, in all honesty bless her, she's probably been one of the safest people through this whole thing. She just sits in her chair and feeds the dog (too much because she bloody forgets!) and my mum and aunt go in and care for her. I helped at the start of lockdown because my aunt couldn't. The rest of us do go to see her but through the window etc.

Erm, it was just down at the local GP I believe mate. She lives on the outskirts of Barnsley and the doctor's surgery is a 5 min drive from hers, if that. She can't drive anymore so my auntie took her but she lives around the corner too, so it's not a big deal.

The GP know my nan's situation so I guess if she definitely couldn't have travelled, they'd have gone to her? But as far as I know they rang her last week to get it booked in. Luckily she had enough about her to then call my mum and let her know that it was going to happen so they could arrange for my aunt to take her down.

 

[xena]

So, my nan got vaccinated yesterday. My aunt (she's 60 this year but no underlying conditions, but she does care for my nana along with my mum) took her and they also offered the jab to my aunt too.

They did it because it ensures no wastage and another person who is caring for a vulnerable person has protection.

I see nothing wrong with it but interested to get people's thoughts.

Also, if you do care for a vulnerable person, then maybe take them into the centre for their jabs and you may just get offered one? My auntie didn't ask, they literally just asked her if she wanted it and obviously said yes.

My granddad (he's 81) also getting his tomorrow.

They must have known they were going to have some left over at end of day .As far as i know they've been offering it to nhs staff to go down to use it up .
I don't particularly have problem with it if you can provide evidence that your there carer otherwise people will try it on .