Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Yep. This is a behavioural issue. The vaccines have to be supplemented with a way of life that's more disciplined and less self-centred. *Nudge policy* from government is not enough. Hard measures have to be brought in. Anyone not complying with them need to be positioned publicly as a danger to the rest of us and dealt with.

That will take years of effort from the top to get that message through...however, you need a willing government to enact that and we have one that prefers a libertarian approach which will continue the carnage.

I hate to shatter your hopes and dreams of a socialist dystopian society in the future, but once this is all over you’ll be seeing the worlds biggest pasty guzzling, lager swilling, muck eating, back, sack and crack party the world has ever seen.
 
I hate to shatter your hopes and dreams of a socialist dystopian society in the future, but once this is all over you’ll be seeing the worlds biggest pasty guzzling, lager swilling, muck eating, back, sack and crack party the world has ever seen.
I already tick all those boxes apart from my hairy arse.
Im up to trying new things though..
 
I wish people would stop comparing the UK and NZ...

New Zealand is 10% bigger by land mass yet has 13x less populace. NZ also isn't a hub of international finance and trade.

So whilst it's very viable for NZ to lockdown each individual flight to their country, it isn't quite as viable for us. And even if we did that, NZ would still have an easier time than us with COVID due to sheer population density.

They aren't comparable countries in any way, shape or form in relation to COVID.

So it’s ok for the UK to operate a completely free entry system into the country with no attempts at stopping people bringing in disease.

Ok.
 
I hate to shatter your hopes and dreams of a socialist dystopian society in the future, but once this is all over you’ll be seeing the worlds biggest pasty guzzling, lager swilling, muck eating, back, sack and crack party the world has ever seen.

You called Sire...
 
Just wondering..if the Pfizer is the best one yet, why doesn't the company share the formula with the scientific world? so that every country can immediately start producing their own 'Pfizer' without the need for logistics. States may later pay for the said formula when this is done and dusted...

or vax stuff doesn't work like that?
 
I think that's a pessimism borne from the situation we're in.

Logically though, once this vaccine gets rolling, you'll see a huge difference. It's not Tory spin; there will genuinely be a huge difference by May.

This is what vaccination did to smallpox.

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It won't be the same with COVID as we won't eradicate it, but bare in mind that the smallpox response from 1966 was absolutely nothing compared to how hard and fast we're going to be rolling out the response to COVID internationally.

So here's my prediction, and I'm fairly confident in it.

1. Restrictions will be almost completely gone by May.

2. You'll have a massive public information campaign ahead of Winter 2021 for caution, wearing masks etc. just to be safe, but lockdowns won't exist as we know them now - track and trace will still be a thing and will be able to identify any contacts who haven't been innoculated.

3. There will be a resurgence of it in about 12-18 months from now when the initial immunity wears off, because science simply don't know how long the jab will work for. Once that resurgence occurs, people will be re-innoculated immediately and the spike will last a couple of weeks max. Again, no lockdown here.

4. After that, it basically becomes a variant of the flu. You'll be invited to get a flu jab and a COVID jab probably once a year, unless COVID vaccine effectiveness is longer lasting.
I said this the other day and got told I kept comparing it to the flu :) - not by you, I may add!

I'm hoping for the above to happen. My worry is continued shouting for lockdowns if we get a few issues with the vaccine - which I'm sure are likely to occur.

In terms of events, I can't see any indoor events being on by April/May. Probably best to keep it safe I suppose. However, in the summer I don't see why outdoor events - matches and concerts etc - can't happen with crowds.

There shouldn't be an excuse as the people who need the vaccine not to die if they get this will have had it. Then, it's a case of getting the rest of the population vaccinated as the year goes on, and I'm sure wearing masks in shops and on public transport will still be a thing for at least the next year.
 
How long we in this lockdown for you reckon?

Think we'll reopen in early March back to tiers with most still in 4 and the better ones in 3.

Yeah, I think this is the aim.

Feb half-term will probably either be 15th Feb or 22nd Feb, and that's when they want to get the schools back after. However, it'll only happen if they have the 4 vulnerable groups vaccinated (around 13mil people I think).

It's a huge task and everything will have to go well to meet that date.
 
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