Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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A few points:

  • Here in the UK the plan is not to stick with a two shot vaccination (spaced 3 weeks apart) for the very elderly (over 80s) and others medically vulnerable. If that were the case and other groups were vaccinated with one shot then I could (just) see the logic. So the very people at risk from hospitalisation and death are still very much open to infection.
  • [following on from above] The likely vaccine our population will be given is the Oxford vaccine, so there'll be no 80% coverage in terms of immunisation from a first shot (as per what Keith Klugman envisages....who appears to be - unwillingly I'm sure - polishing a turd with his latest thoughts there).
  • There can be no reliable roll out of the one shot programme given that the data simply isn't there to support any view that the first shot's efficacy will be long lasting enough to get each recipient beyond a couple of months worth of protection (or, of course, to make the eventual second shot a booster for that initial shot) and it will take months to get the data - pretty much by observing the population who comply with the new regime (they, effectively, take the place of volunteer groups as unwilling guinea pigs).
  • Over and above all that, the only way of making this vaccine do what it was supposed to is by completely closing down our economies apart from essential services - as per last spring - in order to slow the spread of infection...and it may be too late for that. The politicians in the west have let us down, and now they have effectively neutralised our only way out.
On your second point there is evidence for the Oxford vaccine that its overall efficiency goes up with a longer time between shots and found this whole thread interesting


Unlike a lot of issues over the past few months my coronavirus medical twitter feed seems sharply divided as to whether a one shot approach (at least for a few weeks as the virus is rampaging) has an acceptable risk/reward so I really don’t know where to land on this one.
 
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Thats an incredibly misleading attack they’ve come up with - it isn’t about letting vaccines sit in fridges, it’s about using them as intended and tested.

No vaccines are wasted by giving them out as prescribed, in fact the exact opposite may be true if the efficacy of the first dose doesn’t last more than 21 days as feared - all these extremely vulnerable people will need repeated doses rather than two, and what protection they do have may start to run out this month with this new wave raging.
Yeah for the UK I think that was misleading. However, at least in US, the “vaccines in fridges” does seem to be an issue.
Meanwhile, the United States was reportedly planning to hold back half the vaccine it has in freezers as a hedge against supply-chain issues, and some states may be slowed down by murky prioritization plans. Scott Gottlieb—the former FDA chief and a current board member of Pfizer—has argued that the U.S. should also go ahead with vaccinating as many people as possible right now and trust that the supply chain will be there for the booster. Researchers in Canada—where some provinces decided to vaccinate now as much as possible without holding half in reserve, and will administer the booster with future supplies—estimate that this type of front-loading can help “avert between 34 and 42 per cent more symptomatic coronavirus infections, compared with a strategy of keeping half the shipments in reserve.” (Note that this strategy, which is different from the one the United Kingdom just announced it will adopt in prioritizing the first dose, does not even necessarily involve explicitly changing booster timing protocols in order to maximize vaccination now; it just means not waiting to get shots into arms when the vaccines are currently available.) These were already important conversations to have, but given the threat posed by this new variant, they are even more urgent.
 
Just moved back home from Spain and the difference is staggering. Obviously over there you have to wear a mask at all times wherever you are. Here, the majority on my train into town couldn't even be bothered to put one on for 20 minutes. I don't get the mentality of it. Even if you thought there was just the slightest chance wearing a mask could help surely you'd just do it?
 
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Just seen that up to 40% of the healthcare staff in LA refused to take the vaccine. Very worrying if that percentage of healthcare staff are not willing to take it.

Surely it should be basically mandatory if you are a hospital worker? Roughly around 20% of spread is in hospitals and if the staff aren't vaccinated that will continue.

Edit: https://www.latimes.com/california/...ne-access?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

Staggering. I can't move into my new place until mid January so I'm back at home for a couple of weeks whilst still working in the classroom. My mum's fella is currently going through chemo and I'm terrified about bringing the virus back into the house. I can't wait to be vaccinated so it pains me to see people opting out.
 
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*sighs...you can lead a horse to water.....
There are situations where I am far more sympathetic - if you are a pregnant woman for instance there is no data on what the vaccine‘s side effects are as the trials deliberately excluded that group. But there is quite a lot of evidence that COVID itself has higher risks with pregnancy so I‘d follow the medical advice and still take it but I think it far more understandable that you’d be concerned.

But I doubt that 20-40% of the staff are pregnant...
 
There are situations where I am far more sympathetic - if you are a pregnant woman for instance there is no data on what the vaccine‘s side effects are as the trials deliberately excluded that group. But there is quite a lot of evidence that COVID itself has higher risks with pregnancy so I‘d follow the medical advice and still take it but I think it far more understandable that you’d be concerned.

But I doubt that 20-40% of the staff are pregnant...

Totally agree with the special cases and uncertainties, but that 20-40% is a very big number. Hopefully it will turn out to be exaggerated .....
 
Just moved back home from Spain and the difference is staggering. Obviously over there you have to wear a mask at all times wherever you are. Here, the majority on my train into town couldn't even be bothered to put one on for 20 minutes. I don't get the mentality of it. Even if you thought there was just the slightest chance wearing a mask could help surely you'd just do it?
The resistance to wearing masks is honestly one of the things I have found hardest to understand about this whole pandemic - I just can’t wrap my head round it.

I’ve had bras and shoes that I have voluntarily worn for hours in the name of decency/fashion that have been much more uncomfortable than a mask and they haven’t had the upside that it reduces the chances of me inadvertently killing someone!
 
The resistance to wearing masks is honestly one of the things I have found hardest to understand about this whole pandemic - I just can’t wrap my head round it.

I’ve had bras and shoes that I have voluntarily worn for hours in the name of decency/fashion that have been much more uncomfortable than a mask and they haven’t had the upside that it reduces the chances of me inadvertently killing someone!
Any pics?
 
The resistance to wearing masks is honestly one of the things I have found hardest to understand about this whole pandemic - I just can’t wrap my head round it.

I’ve had bras and shoes that I have voluntarily worn for hours in the name of decency/fashion that have been much more uncomfortable than a mask and they haven’t had the upside that it reduces the chances of me inadvertently killing someone!

It must come down to the "no one can tell me what to do" mentality. Unfortunately Facebook also shows a lot of people genuinely believe the whole thing is a conspiracy to get control over our lives. Some people won't take on board the gravity of what's going on until a family member has their lungs fail them.
 
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