Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Deckard2049]

This one dose vaccine has got balls up written all over it lol

Because of the how bad the politicians are people seem to forget that Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam have all said dubious things since this pandemic began. They’ve stood alongside Boris and Hancock many many times and never really strayed from a clearly prepared script.

If this change in plans goes awry or they don’t back the idea to begin with then I would expect anyone with an ounce of integrity to resign in a very public protest. However, not to fully slaughter people who know far more than I do, maybe there is something to getting more people vaccinated with a decent degree of immunity than 0%- especially given the rate of infection.

Can only cross all our body parts and hope it is the right call.

 

[Wizard]

Because of the how bad the politicians are people seem to forget that Whitty, Vallance and Van Tam have all said dubious things since this pandemic began. They’ve stood alongside Boris and Hancock many many times and never really strayed from a clearly prepared script.

If this change in plans goes awry or they don’t back the idea to begin with then I would expect anyone with an ounce of integrity to resign in a very public protest. However, not to fully slaughter people who know far more than I do, maybe there is something to getting more people vaccinated with a decent degree of immunity than 0%- especially given the rate of infection.

Can only cross all our body parts and hope it is the right call.

I don't know guys, I think I'm gonna stick with the opinion of a few of the people on here. Knee jerk reactions seemed to have worked so far so why change now.

Also, Klugman works for Bill Gates and so of course he wants more of us vaccinated as he needs to get those sweet sweet microchips into us as quick as possible.

 

[nikom court]

one good thing that has come out of this is that man flu and the common cold have ben eradicated!

 

[Deleted member 48881]

so russia has obviously underreported covid deaths, excess mortality is up to 13.8 percent due november 2020, now at + 230k in comparison to the previous year.

Russian Covid deaths three times the official toll

The country's deputy prime minister reveals more than 80% of excess deaths are linked to coronavirus.

www.bbc.com

 

[Moomin]

do you think I thought hospitals are actually empty and all is hoax? behave. you are so precious and treat everybody here as if they are new Kenshin. Especially with a top bloke like @BlueToff .
It is weird times and I thought that was an interesting thing to share.

It must be just a coincidence that you keep moaning about lockdowns, the use of masks and keep showing stories of Sweden.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

It must be just a coincidence that you keep moaning about lockdowns, the use of masks and keep showing stories of Sweden.

I repeatedly said that I'm all for full lockdown for a month. Like everything is closed except food, and you can only go out once per week to gather basic stuff. This way it will end sooner.

 

[tsubaki]

Thats an incredibly misleading attack they’ve come up with - it isn’t about letting vaccines sit in fridges, it’s about using them as intended and tested.

No vaccines are wasted by giving them out as prescribed, in fact the exact opposite may be true if the efficacy of the first dose doesn’t last more than 21 days as feared - all these extremely vulnerable people will need repeated doses rather than two, and what protection they do have may start to run out this month with this new wave raging.

 

[Moomin]

I repeatedly said that I'm all for full lockdown for a month. Like everything is closed except food, and you can only go out once per week to gather basic stuff. This way it will end sooner.

As i said, its just a massive coincidence that you keep moaning about masks, bringing up Sweden, defend anti-vaccers and you then post that video.

 

[Prevenger17]

do you think I thought hospitals are actually empty and all is hoax? behave. you are so precious and treat everybody here as if they are new Kenshin. Especially with a top bloke like @BlueToff .
It is weird times and I thought that was an interesting thing to share.

Just to highlight why it might be empty mate. To me, it looks clearly like an outpatient department, the one I used to work in opened at 9am and closed at 6pm, and this was in one of Dublins biggest hospitals. They are not the type of ward you would use to take an overflow of patients, because most of the rooms would be used as small clinics for the likes of opthamology, pregnancy, cardiology, bloodwork and minor ongoing issues that regularly need non-urgent, scheduled checkups.

There wouldn't be the equipment or staffing needed in these wards, and filling them up with Covid patients for no reason would actually be a dangerous disruption to the the day to day medical needs of thousands of people in that cachement area. This ignorant bint either doesn't know this or does and is just trying to stir the pot. It's a bit like people who look at a story about research into tea's effects on sleep and ask "why aren't these doctors focusing on curing cancer". Medical care is insanely complex and segmented for a reason, because even the greatest eye doctor in the world wouldn't be someone who you would trust with a heart transplant.

Long story short, the types of wards that will be feeling the pain at the moment are emergency wards, ICU, some medical wards and long stay geriatric wards whose patients and residents are probably going stir crazy in isolation. Outpatients, necessarily, has to function exactly like it always has to provide the day to day medical care that this idiot is decrying the lack of

 

[davek]

I can’t believe the pressure they are under Dave and I don’t envy them their decisions which will be easy to judge in hindsight but less so now.

Obviously the safest (and CYA) approach is to stick with the 2 dose plan that has extensive data to back it up and has known risks/downsides. However even some US medical guys I have followed throughout are considering whether current conditions are so bad that it is might be worth risking a one dose approach.






I am data nerd and tend to be risk adverse,”bird in hand is worth two in the bush”, so if faced with the decision on available data I’d stick with the two shot plan, certainly for the elderly, while trying to do some further trials of a 1 shot regime on younger patients. I’m just glad I’m not the one making the decision though as can see some of the rationale for the one shot.

A few points:

• Here in the UK the plan is not to stick with a two shot vaccination (spaced 3 weeks apart) for the very elderly (over 80s) and others medically vulnerable. If that were the case and other groups were vaccinated with one shot then I could (just) see the logic. So the very people at risk from hospitalisation and death are still very much open to infection.
• [following on from above] The likely vaccine our population will be given is the Oxford vaccine, so there'll be no 80% coverage in terms of immunisation from a first shot (as per what Keith Klugman envisages....who appears to be - unwillingly I'm sure - polishing a turd with his latest thoughts there).
• There can be no reliable roll out of the one shot programme given that the data simply isn't there to support any view that the first shot's efficacy will be long lasting enough to get each recipient beyond a couple of months worth of protection (or, of course, to make the eventual second shot a booster for that initial shot) and it will take months to get the data - pretty much by observing the population who comply with the new regime (they, effectively, take the place of volunteer groups as unwilling guinea pigs).
• Over and above all that, the only way of making this vaccine do what it was supposed to is by completely closing down our economies apart from essential services - as per last spring - in order to slow the spread of infection...and it may be too late for that. The politicians in the west have let us down, and now they have effectively neutralised our only way out.

 

[Joey66]

Reflects perfectly where we are heading as a country Bargain Basement Britain!

Imo why import an expensive vaccine when our cheap £ 3- 4 Oxford one is going to be available sooon which s is asier to distribute,,,,,,,,countries Worldwide are after it , it is going to be produced in the U.K. - at last the EU will not have any say on how we distribute it ,,,,,,I would like to think it's only going to be sold cheap to poor countries - the EU will have to get in the queue like the rest of other rich countries hope our vaccine saves the world from this pandemic, and at last we have control not bargain basement soft touch UK .......a fair price for a top vaccine hopefully for all on our say so.........easily transported too.........why import a complex expensive vaccine when ours may be better .......?

 

[Nymzee]

do you think I thought hospitals are actually empty and all is hoax? behave. you are so precious and treat everybody here as if they are new Kenshin. Especially with a top bloke like @BlueToff .
It is weird times and I thought that was an interesting thing to share.

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Just to highlight why it might be empty mate. To me, it looks clearly like an outpatient department, the one I used to work in opened at 9am and closed at 6pm, and this was in one of Dublins biggest hospitals. They are not the type of ward you would use to take an overflow of patients, because most of the rooms would be used as small clinics for the likes of opthamology, pregnancy, cardiology, bloodwork and minor ongoing issues that regularly need non-urgent, scheduled checkups.

There wouldn't be the equipment or staffing needed in these wards, and filling them up with Covid patients for no reason would actually be a dangerous disruption to the the day to day medical needs of thousands of people in that cachement area. This ignorant bint either doesn't know this or does and is just trying to stir the pot. It's a bit like people who look at a story about research into tea's effects on sleep and ask "why aren't these doctors focusing on curing cancer". Medical care is insanely complex and segmented for a reason, because even the greatest eye doctor in the world wouldn't be someone who you would trust with a heart transplant.

Long story short, the types of wards that will be feeling the pain at the moment are emergency wards, ICU, some medical wards and long stay geriatric wards whose patients and residents are probably going stir crazy in isolation. Outpatients, necessarily, has to function exactly like it always has to provide the day to day medical care that this idiot is decrying the lack of

Much appreciated. I think it is only good we get to see some videos from hospitals. For the good or bad. It doesn't necessarily mean "we are being tricked" thing.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Yes.

At least I don't insult other people's late uncles with footballing terms.

 

[Nymzee]

At least I don't insult other people's late uncles with footballing terms.

So you do admit you think hospitals are empty then. Good going.