Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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BlueToff said:
And deaths from illnesses such as fule and pneumonia ('common' killers in the winter in UK in vulnerable groups who are at risk of covid) are down (so far, obviously).

Before you jump down my throat, I am not at all suggesting that this lessens covid or makes it 'like flu' etc. It's clearly much more infectious, much more deadly if someone gets it badly. And, there has been no vaccine until now.

My point is, there will be a number - we can't say for sure whether big or small - of people that have died due to COVID that would have passed this year of flu or pneumonia. We're not just getting lucky that we're having fewer flu or pneumonia cases. It's probably a case of COVID taking away from the flu and pneumonia numbers - though I fully take on board we will have to wait until January when the statistics are usually published to tell for certain.

The restrictions will obviously have helped, as will social distancing/hygeine pushes etc, so that's a positive - in a peverse way - of the pandemic.

I am still scared of this thing for my family. Don't want my mum or dad or my gran to get it. Trying to follow measures. I've come home for Christmas and will head back to mine tomorrow. Haven't been to the gym since March, haven't been to a pub since September or a restaurant since the end of October. Trying my best to make sure the people I care about are safe. So I'm not trying to be some conspiracy theorist or take away from people's concerns. I just think stuff has to be taken into perspective.
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Welcome back, Kenshin.
 
Tubey said:
We're realistically looking at nearer the end of 2021 before it's completely done, because this government is incompetent and the idea they'll get the logistics right is laughable.

However, we should break the back of it by say around May, when most if not all of the vulnerable groups are sorted. From that point, no lockdowns are justified.
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TBF the logistics / delivery side is something that should happen without too much problems - its not under the direct control of ministers (though we will be told it was).
 
tsubaki said:
Sorry for repeating myself, but this is kind of the problem with the UK - that we've been led down a path of two bad choices (lockdown / restrictions or letting this run rampant).

This is an entirely false position, what we should - must - be doing is to establish an effective public health protection system that can do all the test, track, trace and isolate stuff not only for this but for what is coming in 10/20/30 years time, as these viruses always do (and thats even without them being weaponised). SK and Taiwan learned that after SARS, implemented it and they've had very few deaths relatively speaking as the result of this. We have to do the same here - it will prevent restrictions, prevent economic damage and save lives.
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Not just the UK, but clearly all of Europe.

Geographically it is harder for Europe. It is much easier for a relatively out of the way island - I'm aware Taiwan is very densely populated and trade etc - and South Korea (again, not really a huge transit hub in the same way that say, Amsterdam or London is, albeit it's very densely populated).

But there's so much travel to and within Europe that track and trace systems would have to be the very best available. But then you also have to get people to follow them - and conversely, that means they need to work, so it's kind of a vicious cycle.

I think this talk of 'covid passports' is what people like Ike (nutters I know) - but then also genuine people - got shouted down for back in the early part of the year, yet let's face it, we all know that's what's going to happen. There'll be an app which says whether you have the vaccine or not and, if not, you won't be able to go anywhere or do anything.

A watered down version of this is close to all of our hearts with fans going back to Goodison.

I can imagine that if we have events back on in May time, then you'll have to have proof of a) the vaccine or b) a negative test before you go. While I appreciate it's probably what has to be done, it's also very big brother and, well, a bit crap. Is this really what life is?

I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done, just the fact that it probably will be also goes against quite a lot of what I believe in when it comes to personal freedom etc. But if it stops another pandemic then that's the priority. Just don't think fear is a tool that should be used to do that.
 
BlueToff said:
Not just the UK, but clearly all of Europe.

Geographically it is harder for Europe. It is much easier for a relatively out of the way island - I'm aware Taiwan is very densely populated and trade etc - and South Korea (again, not really a huge transit hub in the same way that say, Amsterdam or London is, albeit it's very densely populated).

But there's so much travel to and within Europe that track and trace systems would have to be the very best available. But then you also have to get people to follow them - and conversely, that means they need to work, so it's kind of a vicious cycle.

I think this talk of 'covid passports' is what people like Ike (nutters I know) - but then also genuine people - got shouted down for back in the early part of the year, yet let's face it, we all know that's what's going to happen. There'll be an app which says whether you have the vaccine or not and, if not, you won't be able to go anywhere or do anything.

A watered down version of this is close to all of our hearts with fans going back to Goodison.

I can imagine that if we have events back on in May time, then you'll have to have proof of a) the vaccine or b) a negative test before you go. While I appreciate it's probably what has to be done, it's also very big brother and, well, a bit crap. Is this really what life is?

I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done, just the fact that it probably will be also goes against quite a lot of what I believe in when it comes to personal freedom etc. But if it stops another pandemic then that's the priority. Just don't think fear is a tool that should be used to do that.
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Once the vaccines have been rolled out fully, there's no need to check if people have had it or not.

Cos nobody will really care if the Anti-Vax mutants get it.
 
BlueToff said:
Not just the UK, but clearly all of Europe.

Geographically it is harder for Europe. It is much easier for a relatively out of the way island - I'm aware Taiwan is very densely populated and trade etc - and South Korea (again, not really a huge transit hub in the same way that say, Amsterdam or London is, albeit it's very densely populated).

But there's so much travel to and within Europe that track and trace systems would have to be the very best available. But then you also have to get people to follow them - and conversely, that means they need to work, so it's kind of a vicious cycle.

I think this talk of 'covid passports' is what people like Ike (nutters I know) - but then also genuine people - got shouted down for back in the early part of the year, yet let's face it, we all know that's what's going to happen. There'll be an app which says whether you have the vaccine or not and, if not, you won't be able to go anywhere or do anything.

A watered down version of this is close to all of our hearts with fans going back to Goodison.

I can imagine that if we have events back on in May time, then you'll have to have proof of a) the vaccine or b) a negative test before you go. While I appreciate it's probably what has to be done, it's also very big brother and, well, a bit crap. Is this really what life is?

I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done, just the fact that it probably will be also goes against quite a lot of what I believe in when it comes to personal freedom etc. But if it stops another pandemic then that's the priority. Just don't think fear is a tool that should be used to do that.
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It would be, and its certainly impossible to do it (have a Schengen public health system) under the current setup of the EU. Its something that should have been put in place when Schengen started (as should have a unified criminal justice system) but the rationale to do it now is surely overwhelming.

COVID passports are a daft idea though; they'd just end up as ID cards by another name except with even more government. It would be enough to just say that you've got to have it to go on holiday out of the country, and socially make not having it as acceptable as being a nonce is.
 
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Deco said:
Thanks mate. I’m shocked to be honest, I’ve barely left the house all year as I’ve been luckily able to work from home.

I’m guessing these new strains of it are more contagious but who knows.
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That sadly does seem to be the theory at the moment but thankfully so far they don’t seem to think it any worse in terms of illness etc.

Hope it being the holidays anyway you had a fair amount of food/booze already in to see you through the quarantine in comfort and a lesser work load if you feel a bit rough for a few days.
 
BlueToff said:
So this new strain is all over the world already.

Probably means it's been about months, lads, and we've just found it.

Why the panic.

And pretty sure those cases in Canada have had no travel, so there we go.
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No panic. It was just used to pull back from the Christmas we were told we could have because of some political stunt.
 
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