Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Dan Tanner]

Full lockdown after the new year until Easter, get the infection rate and hospitalisations right down, administer the vaccine as widely as possible. That surely has to be the game plan.

As much as you may be able to cope in your dystopian paradise of doom and gloom, not everybody will be able to survive in your hoped for future.

Terrifying amounts of suicides, debt, job losses, relationship breakdowns, countless mental health issues, massive needless non-covid related deaths re-missed cancer, Cardiovascular disease, etc... Then when it gets to Easter, well lets lock it all down again and aim for September, I'm alright Jack though yayyyy....

Covid is a shoite-sandwich no issues regarding that, but to close the world down and let everything else fail just isn't practical.
I often wonder how the people of this country got through the Blitz, Spanish Flu, WW1/2...The scaremongering and clickbaiting in the media isn't doing anybody any favours in that respect though

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[BlueToff]

We're living through a pandemic. You cant just crack on. Your argument 40 years ago would have been seen for the nonsense it is - that was prior to the brain washing of the public to believe we should order our society through neo-liberalism and give 'all importance' to the market.

The sound and fury over lockdowns are due to the state recognising that we cant just go on as normal and let the market dictate. That's seen them butting heads with corporate interests and market ideologues. In a public health crisis neo-liberal policies have had to be reined in and neutered - for the time being at least. And we should be going further still. The state can pay for this crisis. That's what its there for.

I'm not suggesting we just crack on and I live in a T3 area. For the last eight weeks nothing round me has been open. I've done nothing but go to the shop and two days a week to an office and, in the last 2 weeks, go to my mum and dad's every few days.

It's got nothing to do with brainwashing, or neo-liberalism. I'm talking about people's lives, not a market.

You brought up that we're in the flu season. But the evidence is there that the flu numbers are down/that this dreaded overwhelming of the NHS - which is of course the concern - isn't happening.

It's crap, but the reason why is because those people that would have ended up in hospital with flu this year, have ended up in hospital with covid instead. It's grim, it doesn't make it right and they should get the vaccine asap but it's just common sense.

Another, three-month lockdown would ruin more people's lives in the long term than it would save in the short term.

 

[BlueToff]

Unless something remarkable happens it’s clear as night follows day that we’re heading for another lockdown and plenty of more Covid deaths.

Never mind though, we’ll all get the opportunity to celebrate Christmas with Grandma and Uncle Fred before they pass on at the hands of Covid-19...which they caught at the family Christmas do!

Merry Christmas Everyone!

90% of the country is in Tier 3. So not like hospitality can have an impact on it.

If people are so scared, don't go to other people's houses for Christmas?

I'm allowed to do a lot of dangerous things that I don't do.

 

[Blues Harp]

One gp surgery has told sky news that only 12%!!! Of people have taken up the vaccine offer as they want ot get Xmas out if the way first.

Selfish old barstewards. Millions of people putting their lives on hold to protect them and they give us the middle finger.

I'd inject them with something else beginning with C when they have gotten themselves ready

Selfish young twunt you...dont tar everyone with the same brush....get on your bike and cycle off a cliff lol lol lol

 

[Deleted member 48881]

As much as you may be able to cope in your dystopian paradise of doom and gloom, not everybody will be able to survive in your hoped for future.

Terrifying amounts of suicides, debt, job losses, relationship breakdowns, countless mental health issues, massive needless non-covid related deaths re-missed cancer, Cardiovascular disease, etc... Then when it gets to Easter, well lets lock it all down again and aim for September, I'm alright Jack though yayyyy....

Covid is a shoite-sandwich no issues regarding that, but to close the world down and let everything else fail just isn't practical.
I often wonder how the people of this country got through the Blitz, Spanish Flu, WW1/2...The scaremongering and clickbaiting in the media isn't doing anybody any favours in that respect though

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[LinekersLegs]

Glad they reversed their initial algorithm but sadly think this may not be an isolated incident

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/12/18/stanford-hospital-protest-covid-vaccine/

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Yeah it isn't actually a positive for the economy to do nothing because a portion of the population is still going to decide not to get the deadly virus and not spend money as a result.

well not really. Since Ive visited Stockholm I love the place and have friends, their cafes and bars are still busy. Even if you dont know anybody, you can check them on instagram by location tags, streets, shops are lively, people are less unhappy. They suffer just as much as England covid wise but small shop owners are doing fine, people are not broke. Soft lockdown wouldnt change a thing re. covid related deaths as we can read from non scandinavian Europe.

Chinese like (even though I despise the regime) full lockdown for a month to finish this once and for all, (further finish with vax too in spring) or let the people live a freaking life, we may still be involved in a car crash tomorrow for all I know. Why kill ourselves slowly.

 

[PhilM]

You brought up that we're in the flu season. But the evidence is there that the flu numbers are down/that this dreaded overwhelming of the NHS - which is of course the concern - isn't happening.

The concern however is that this could still happen in January even without a spike in COVID related-admissions. With a spike in COVID cases, it's a real worry.

 

[Moomin]

As much as you may be able to cope in your dystopian paradise of doom and gloom, not everybody will be able to survive in your hoped for future.

Terrifying amounts of suicides, debt, job losses, relationship breakdowns, countless mental health issues, massive needless non-covid related deaths re-missed cancer, Cardiovascular disease, etc... Then when it gets to Easter, well lets lock it all down again and aim for September, I'm alright Jack though yayyyy....

Covid is a shoite-sandwich no issues regarding that, but to close the world down and let everything else fail just isn't practical.
I often wonder how the people of this country got through the Blitz, Spanish Flu, WW1/2...The scaremongering and clickbaiting in the media isn't doing anybody any favours in that respect though

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At this moment , Lockdown is all we have.

Lockdown is a struggle, but imagine how the people on the frontline feel. We can all moan about the pubs being shut and being bored, but its a walk in the park compared to other people.

My mother in law took early retirement last month as a nurse, she had planned to retire at the start of 2022 but this year has took it out of her and for her sanity she called it a day.

 

[Moomin]

The concern however is that this could still happen in January even without a spike in COVID related-admissions. With a spike in COVID cases, it's a real worry.

It is happening at the moment in various locations, London the whole of Northern Ireland etc etc

 

[Deleted member 48881]

@peteblue

UK alcohol sales fall despite rise in home drinking

Beer down 10% and wine 5% as increased online and supermarket sales fail to offset pub revenue collapse

www.theguardian.com

 

[grandjoeblue]

The concern however is that this could still happen in January even without a spike in COVID related-admissions. With a spike in COVID cases, it's a real worry.

Yes this is true. Its a shame that the NHS is at full capacity every winter. They can't cope with anything extra, they can barely cope anyway.

 

[PhilM]

It is happening at the moment in various locations, London the whole of Northern Ireland etc etc

Oh I get/know that with a fair few trusts above 90% capacity, with many others sitting just below 90% therefore the projections are already a worry.

My point, perhaps not well articulated, is that with the usual Jan/Feb surge we could realistically get close to the 100% or actually reach full capacity quite quickly.

That's before considering the potential impact of growing COVID figures; add the relaxation of restrictions and they could surge further with other admissions*.

The picture doesn't look rosy. *Think alcohol related etc.

 

[tsubaki]

At this moment , Lockdown is all we have.

Lockdown is a struggle, but imagine how the people on the frontline feel. We can all moan about the pubs being shut and being bored, but its a walk in the park compared to other people.

My mother in law took early retirement last month as a nurse, she had planned to retire at the start of 2022 but this year has took it out of her and for her sanity she called it a day.

Admittedly my politics does trend in this direction anyway, but that tweet highlights the way in which NHS / military / police / trumpton / supermarket and supply chain workers have performed during this crisis on one hand and how the right-wing media commentators have performed on the other and has really hit home that something must be done about them in the next few years.

I mean, you have scum like Toby Young, Douglas Murray and the rest of the "lockdown sceptics" here (and the whole Tucker Carlson / Bannon / Bartiromo soup over there) getting paid fortunes to ruin and increasingly actually end the lives of their fellow citizens and specifically make the jobs of those who actually do help others far worse. In the grimness of the next few years they'll be likewise coining it in whilst they denounce all the people who went above and beyond this year for being leeches, for having gold-plated pensions and for not being in pain as much as the private sector is.

 

[davek]

As much as you may be able to cope in your dystopian paradise of doom and gloom, not everybody will be able to survive in your hoped for future.

Terrifying amounts of suicides, debt, job losses, relationship breakdowns, countless mental health issues, massive needless non-covid related deaths re-missed cancer, Cardiovascular disease, etc... Then when it gets to Easter, well lets lock it all down again and aim for September, I'm alright Jack though yayyyy....

Covid is a shoite-sandwich no issues regarding that, but to close the world down and let everything else fail just isn't practical.
I often wonder how the people of this country got through the Blitz, Spanish Flu, WW1/2...The scaremongering and clickbaiting in the media isn't doing anybody any favours in that respect though

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FFS, you call me scaremongering and holding dystopian views. Read your own post back to yourself.

Debt, job losses, relationship breakdowns, mental health problems are a fact of life regardless of lockdowns.

We have to give a chance for these vaccines to work by suppressing the virus right down and rolling it out. People's living standards and general well being can be fixed; it cant if they're dead. The means are there to support us all through this. This is a fantastically rich nation and it has the power to invest and borrow to secure its population. It's a political decision and that's what they need to do. By the way, the country didn't get through the Spanish Flu: it decimated the British population. Almost 230,000 were killed by it. Is that your notion of 'getting through'?