NYE is the absolute WORST time to be going out.
Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Leylo
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It is any year freezing can't get a taxi ,swerve it usually but even more so now!
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
This is the part problem with devolution. I’ve said many times that our Westminster politicians are pygmies, yet these are the best we have, the devolved administrations are led by jumped up council leaders pretending to be world statesmen and women. They are not, they are mostly idiots who would not find employment in the real world. This Welsh guy sums them up to a tee......
I mean in general. Massively overrated. Always a let down.
Im no fan of Drakeford but I’d argue he’s handled things far better than Westminster have. His decisions whilst not popular with many have been quite clear and he won’t bend on them (even if things like alcohol bans seem to make no real sense). The problem in wales is that after the first 2 week firebreak people came out of it thinking they could do what they wanted thus causing the mass spread of numbers we now have, the path out of the firebreak should have planned more slowly and allowed a gradual easing of restrictions.
So review of all regions tier tomorrow, announced changes Thursday?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
They have messed up the rules. I tend to observe the keep your distance, wear a mask, wash your hands, be sensible and keep to a small locality. London doesn’t give a crap tbh and the rest of the country got screwed with the tier areas to get it into tier 2. It should always have been tier 3 or just do away with the bleeding things and let us sort it for ourselves .....
peteblue
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But there is no logic to it and your numbers are horrendous. However, if you are happy then it’s not for the rest of us to say anything......I still think he’s a lightweight idiot though ........
tsubaki
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there goes the voice of no experience
As I said, I believe the way people rushed out if the firebreak is the cause of this spike now
Funny thing about this, is that she’s unknowingly hinting at a genuine effect here, even though she owns herself by immediate contradiction, and even then draws the wrong conclusion.
But if around 65,000 people have died from covid, and say each of those people had maybe 30 close family and friend relationships, and maybe 200 other acquaintance-type relationships.
Then for those 65,000, that would mean 1.95m people would closely know someone who died, and 13m would more generally know of someone who died.
That’s around 3% and 20% of the population respectively.
Of course those numbers aren’t perfect, some may have 100 close friends, others may have 10, but that’s not really the point, it’s that even with such a huge number of deaths, there’s a strong likelihood that the majority of people, thankfully, are unlikely to know anyone who dies from covid.
But, of course, that doesn’t detract from the seriousness of it and doesn’t mean it’s all just in the media, but it highlights the difference between anecdote and data.
tsubaki
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This is to present statistics ripped from all context, though - and she is absolutely wrong (deliberately wrong too, given how often she cheerleads for whatever the Tory Party generally and Johnson specifically are saying) to make this argument, however incompetently.
Aside from global wars, we've only rarely had events that impacted as many people as this has and none of those occured in an age of genuine mass communication. We've all seen the impact of disasters - Grenfell, Hillsborough, CJD, train crashes, plane crashes - with death tolls that COVID beats easily each day; even a disaster like 9/11 dominated that entire decade (of course the US are occasionally having that number of dead per day). We already feel (and are encouraged to feel) sympathy for the victims and loved ones of those who died in these horrors even though we are very unlikely to have any link to them whatsoever.
This is however much different - to use your statistics, 3% are going to closely know someone who died in this. That is (and I know people arent distributed evenly) going to mean every workplace of any size above a single shop is going to have someone who was closely affected in it; every full bus is going to have someone who was closely affected in it, Goodison is going to have more than a thousand people in every capacity crowd who are going to have been closely affected by this. We are in short all going to know someone who closely knows someone who died.
... and that is just deaths from people who died. Theres all the people who were intensive care and didn't die, all the people who lost their jobs, all the people who were locked down and felt terrified. As British disasters go this has been relatively universal - we've all been affected to at least some extent by it.
Of course, this means that this has the potential to generate really severe problems for whoever ends up getting blamed for it. The government and its mates in the media certainly know this, which is why they've been working so hard since about mid-February to aim flak at everyone else - SAGE, other "experts", the Opposition, foreigners, the North, the South and (after Christmas) the population who wanted to have turkey rather than protect their own family.
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