Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I think the important thing about the above article is twofold. Firstly the authorities really need to be communicating with people about this and the processes it has been through. Secondly, if "events" are likely, then they also need to be communicated transparently so that conspiracies don't emerge about cover-ups etc.
I feel the government/authorities have to do better to get information to people, too often I find I have to start with a soundbite from a politician or news site and then wade through many more sources until I get to a point where I am happy with my understanding. Another example on top of yours about vaccines - yesterday Matt Hancock talking about a "new variant", and all it does it make people panic. It could have been said that lots of variants exist and that they all by and large have the same effect and that vaccines largely protect against multiple variants; indeed the more salient point was not the new variant it was the rise in cases.

Communication is so important - though in fairness I also think it is difficult to get right. I think in most societies you are gonna get skeptics and edge case loons that don't believe anything unless empirically evident before their own eyes, but I think it's particularly prevalent in times where there is so much collective fear and misinformation and political posturing. Perhaps a more bottom up approach would help, engaging with folk in some way at a local level.
 
The Mail has excelled itself in its vileness today, apologies for linking directly to it but here’s its reporting on the increased lockdown conditions. Note the mention of Professor Alan McNally:


Meanwhile, here’s the good professor writing in the Guardian today:


Strange that the Mail didn’t ask him about that herd immunity backing (which they are serially guilty of) and instead took one or two sentences and used them to provide puff to an article that isn’t really anything to do with the quote anyway.

That’s truly dreadful.

There’s virtually no news content in there whatsoever, instead they’ve just twisted the whole thing to terrify the life out of anyone ( pensioners ) reading it.
 
I feel the government/authorities have to do better to get information to people, too often I find I have to start with a soundbite from a politician or news site and then wade through many more sources until I get to a point where I am happy with my understanding. Another example on top of yours about vaccines - yesterday Matt Hancock talking about a "new variant", and all it does it make people panic. It could have been said that lots of variants exist and that they all by and large have the same effect and that vaccines largely protect against multiple variants; indeed the more salient point was not the new variant it was the rise in cases.

Communication is so important - though in fairness I also think it is difficult to get right. I think in most societies you are gonna get skeptics and edge case loons that don't believe anything unless empirically evident before their own eyes, but I think it's particularly prevalent in times where there is so much collective fear and misinformation and political posturing. Perhaps a more bottom up approach would help, engaging with folk in some way at a local level.
They seem to have no problems investing in that kind of communication during elections. It shouldn't be beyond them to do so now too. Just a simple leaflet through people's doors outlining the issues would be better than nothing. This is especially important as the BAME folk who were most vulnerable to the virus are also the most sceptical about a vaccine. In my wife's team in the NHS she is one of two caucasian nurses and she and her caucasian colleague are the only two who say they'll have the vaccine. It won't be as simple as saying "here's the vaccine, we're saved"

 
They seem to have no problems investing in that kind of communication during elections. It shouldn't be beyond them to do so now too. Just a simple leaflet through people's doors outlining the issues would be better than nothing. This is especially important as the BAME folk who were most vulnerable to the virus are also the most sceptical about a vaccine. In my wife's team in the NHS she is one of two caucasian nurses and she and her caucasian colleague are the only two who say they'll have the vaccine. It won't be as simple as saying "here's the vaccine, we're saved"


So If some people do not want to take the vaccine then this is proof of systemic racism in the medical system. Who makes this crap up, and why.......
 
So If some people do not want to take the vaccine then this is proof of systemic racism in the medical system. Who makes this crap up, and why.......
You didn't read the article, did you? The argument is that systemic racism causes people to mistrust those in authority, including those in the medical profession, which in turn leads to anti-vax tendencies.

The same logic applies to many conservatives, who have been told they should also mistrust those in authority, and who are also more likely to have anti-vax tendencies as a result.
 
You didn't read the article, did you? The argument is that systemic racism causes people to mistrust those in authority, including those in the medical profession, which in turn leads to anti-vax tendencies.

The same logic applies to many conservatives, who have been told they should also mistrust those in authority, and who are also more likely to have anti-vax tendencies as a result.

OFC within living memory in the US black communities were subjected to medical experimentation without full consent for it, so over there at least some reticence is understandable.
 
I know you mentioned it in your post but I still think it’s wrong to try compare somewhere like NZ to ourselves just because we’re an island. Unless you’re suggesting allowing flights into the country is the root cause of our issue.

It’s much easier to control a classroom of 10 kids than 100 kids.
I for one think that UK allowing flights from China and USA certainly exacerbated the situation.
 

Jail.

Jail.

Yes, a four-week sentence, but bloody hell.

An idiot, no doubt. I mean fair play for trying it. But a 4-week prison sentence?

IIRC they’ve been really savage in terms of keeping the disease out of the island, with success. If the price of that is dealing savagely with these idiots pour encourager les autres then I am all in favour of it.
 
IIRC they’ve been really savage in terms of keeping the disease out of the island, with success. If the price of that is dealing savagely with these idiots pour encourager les autres then I am all in favour of it.

Something's telling me the Isle of Mann won't exactly have been a COVID hotspot regardless...

Anyway, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. Loads could have gone wrong and he'd have risked other lives etc.

But... I'm not sure throwing someone in jail for wanting to go and see their girlfriend is something that should be lauded.
 
Something's telling me the Isle of Mann won't exactly have been a COVID hotspot regardless...

Anyway, I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. Loads could have gone wrong and he'd have risked other lives etc.

But... I'm not sure throwing someone in jail for wanting to go and see their girlfriend is something that should be lauded.

If you put it like that then no, though of course putting it like that pretends he was banged up for wanting to go and see his girlfriend. This isn’t true at all - he was banged up after being told for entirely correct reasons that he could not visit the island at the moment and he completely ignored them.

FWIW I’d also have locked him up for being criminally idiotic, putting himself at huge risk just to get there and risking loads of other people once he was there.
 
If you put it like that then no, though of course putting it like that pretends he was banged up for wanting to go and see his girlfriend. This isn’t true at all - he was banged up after being told for entirely correct reasons that he could not visit the island at the moment and he completely ignored them.

FWIW I’d also have locked him up for being criminally idiotic, putting himself at huge risk just to get there and risking loads of other people once he was there.

I don't think a crime/misdemeanour like that requires jail time.

It's not like he's a bloody danger to society. He was just an idiot. Fine him, put him on community service.

Four weeks in prison isn't exactly gonna do anyone any good. All it probably does is mean this bloke has a harder time than was needed at a time when people are going to struggle enough as it is.
 
I don't think a crime/misdemeanour like that requires jail time.

It's not like he's a bloody danger to society. He was just an idiot. Fine him, put him on community service.

Four weeks in prison isn't exactly gonna do anyone any good. All it probably does is mean this bloke has a harder time than was needed at a time when people are going to struggle enough as it is.

He literally posed more damage to more people in society than most criminals do - if not for the four hour open water jetski (which if it had gone wrong would have required a lot of rescue effort) and then walking around the island going to nightclubs. He even put his girlfriend at risk as well.
 
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