Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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ToffeeTim said:
I don't have a solution. Nothing seems to have worked. But this way the economy is suffering horrendously too.

I think personal responsibility was the least bad solution, and it's not a good solution either.

As far as I can see, the covid rates will remain high (pre-vaccine) as long as schools remain open, especially secondary schools. But we can't keep closing schools for long periods, so I'm not sure there is an easy answer until we get a lot more people vaccinated.
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I think the economy suffers less with tier systems than lockdowns though.

Lockdowns = certain businesses over the entire country lose money.

Tier systems = certain businesses over some parts of the country lose money.
 
Nymzee said:
I think the economy suffers less with tier systems than lockdowns though.

Lockdowns = certain businesses over the entire country lose money.

Tier systems = certain businesses over some parts of the country lose money.
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Unfortunately - and I do agree in principle - it's not the case for hospitality or independent retail which are the trades which are getting hammered by this.

One of my dad's mates, owns a few restaurants in London and Manchester. He's just been saying on Twitter - ordered perishable stock this weekend in order to get prepped for pre-Xmas rush etc. Then you have rent, staffing. It all adds up. And it's actually more of a slow, drawn-out death for those businesses.

Closer to home, my sister and her fiance's clothes shop in Leeds. Obviously shut through November and they've opened again now, but they aren't getting any rent break. The government are paying small grants to cover it but that's gone to Leeds council, and it is taking ages to process. He was told last week it may be the end of January until he gets it. So how is he going to find a spare £2k to cover his rates? I can only imagine there's similar stories all over the country.

It's knackered, mate. Absolutely knackered.
 
BlueToff said:
Unfortunately - and I do agree in principle - it's not the case for hospitality or independent retail which are the trades which are getting hammered by this.

One of my dad's mates, owns a few restaurants in London and Manchester. He's just been saying on Twitter - ordered perishable stock this weekend in order to get prepped for pre-Xmas rush etc. Then you have rent, staffing. It all adds up. And it's actually more of a slow, drawn-out death for those businesses.

Closer to home, my sister and her fiance's clothes shop in Leeds. Obviously shut through November and they've opened again now, but they aren't getting any rent break. The government are paying small grants to cover it but that's gone to Leeds council, and it is taking ages to process. He was told last week it may be the end of January until he gets it. So how is he going to find a spare £2k to cover his rates? I can only imagine there's similar stories all over the country.

It's knackered, mate. Absolutely knackered.
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Yeh never said it was good but surely having some restaurants etc. open in the country (tiers) is better than no restaurants etc. being open in the country (lockdown)?

As well, they were very clear that the tier systems would be reviewed and we could move up or down based on the stats so it's just whether or not you take the risk to stock up/open up ahead of a tier review. Your dad's mates got stung but the cases have been rising in London for example so I'm sure they would have known what was likely to happen. Or I hope they'd have known.
 
Nymzee said:
Yeh never said it was good but surely having some restaurants etc. open in the country (tiers) is better than no restaurants etc. being open in the country (lockdown)?

As well, they were very clear that the tier systems would be reviewed and we could move up or down based on the stats so it's just whether or not you take the risk to stock up/open up ahead of a tier review. Your dad's mates got stung but the cases have been rising in London for example so I'm sure they would have known what was likely to happen. Or I hope they'd have known.
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Well all depends on the support. When everybody is in the same boat maybe it is easier/fairer because everybody has the same level of support.

Honestly, for some businesses right now, it's probably better that if they've been shut for the last 6 weeks, that they just stay shut, as long as the support is there, until they can open back to some form of reasonable capacity again.

Areas that have been able to open, but then could be forced to shut - well that uncertainty isn't good for any businesses and is going to cost money.

I agree in principle, but you can't just guess. He knows what he's doing - you don't own restaurant chains without that, and sure he'll get through one way or the other - but for a time like this you have to have everything lined up in advance. If he'd have left it, and then nothing would have happened, he'd have been up the creek without a paddle wouldn't he, and a lack of support for staff etc. He wouldn't be legally required to shut, so would they get furlough? (I don't know how it works).
 
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