Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[davek]

How do you know its good, if you question the judgement of the body that approved it?

The regulator in this case (the MHRA - funded by UK Government) is sitting in judgement of a vaccine created with the backing of the UK government. If they were sitting in judgement of Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson and Johnson's vaccines there'd be less conflict of interest.

 

[roydo]

The regulator in this case (the MHRA - funded by UK Government) is sitting in judgement of a vaccine created with the backing of the UK government. If they were sitting in judgement of Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson and Johnson's vaccines there'd be less conflict of interest.

But they have sat in judgement of the Pfizer one, and said its fine.

And the Oxford vax hasnt been developed by the Government. They have provided, I assume, cash, but it will go though the exact same MHRA process. Unless Ihave missed sommet.

 

[Toast]

Kay Burley: Sky News presenter off air during Covid breach inquiry

The TV journalist and Sky News political editor Beth Rigby are among four people taken off air.

www.bbc.co.uk

Made up she’s been caught out.

 

[roydo]

Kay Burley: Sky News presenter off air during Covid breach inquiry

The TV journalist and Sky News political editor Beth Rigby are among four people taken off air.

www.bbc.co.uk

Made up she’s been caught out.

lol

Live by the "Im smug and superior" sword, die by it.

 

[davek]

But they have sat in judgement of the Pfizer one, and said its fine.

And the Oxford vax hasnt been developed by the Government. They have provided, I assume, cash, but it will go though the exact same MHRA process. Unless Ihave missed sommet.

They ok'd the Pfizer one and other regulatory bodies will too. They have zero links to the agents of those other vaccines and cant do other than give an objective evaluation. Can they do that for a vaccine that's produced by their own employers? The government have invested money and credibility into it.

We'll soon see.

The sketchy data they have right now, especially that concerning older age groups, look very unconvincing to be passing it.

 

[roydo]

They ok'd the Pfizer one and other regulatory bodies will too. They have zero links to the agents of those other vaccines and cant do other than give an objective evaluation. Can they do that for a vaccine that's produced by their own employers? The government have invested money and credibility into it.

We'll soon see.

The sketchy data they have right now, especially that concerning older age groups, look very unconvincing to be passing it.

There is zero chance that if the OU/GS vax isnt safe that it will get approved.

I have no idea what sketchy data they have provided, but given that the development has been by Oxford University and a giant pharma, I am reasonably confident it will be robust.

The virus is a new one, but it isnt the first one.

 

[blulouie]

That'll take a few months...hopefully by that time the vulnerable will have been vaccinated with a dose that works so they dont have to use it.

My guess ( and its just my guess ) is they wont be giving the double dose out at all.
Not when then half/ full dose is much more effective.
The double dose is classed as safe to go , but obviously with the roll out being the vulnerable , elderly & the care services first to be vaccinated its the right way to hold back til the half/ full dose is ready to roll.
Its the correct way to do it.

 

[Nymzee]

Sounds extremely selfish to me

Where does being selfish come into that?

 

[blulouie]

They ok'd the Pfizer one and other regulatory bodies will too. They have zero links to the agents of those other vaccines and cant do other than give an objective evaluation. Can they do that for a vaccine that's produced by their own employers? The government have invested money and credibility into it.

We'll soon see.

The sketchy data they have right now, especially that concerning older age groups, look very unconvincing to be passing it.

There is no "sketchy data "
All the info I have seen is perfectly fine for a general vaccine.
The only other point is by accident they found it much better in a smaller dose and rightly so it was trialed in the upto 55 age group and quite rightly not to the vulnerable & elderly until its considered safe in the younger group , same as they have done with pregnant woman and children.
Of course this will take longer to pass , but it certainly is not " sketchy data ".

 

[davek]

There is zero chance that if the OU/GS vax isnt safe that it will get approved.

I have no idea what sketchy data they have provided, but given that the development has been by Oxford University and a giant pharma, I am reasonably confident it will be robust.

The virus is a new one, but it isnt the first one.

It's safe, it's just whether its efficacious enough to give to vulnerable people. That's the issue.

 

[davek]

My guess ( and its just my guess ) is they wont be giving the double dose out at all.
Not when then half/ full dose is much more effective.
The double dose is classed as safe to go , but obviously with the roll out being the vulnerable , elderly & the care services first to be vaccinated its the right way to hold back til the half/ full dose is ready to roll.
Its the correct way to do it.

The Oxford vaccine isn't convincing the scientific community over its effectiveness for all age groups - the older age group in particular.

 

[roydo]

It's safe, it's just whether its efficacious enough to give to vulnerable people. That's the issue.

Well lets wait and see what the folk who know what they are on about decide. Thats the issue.

 

[davek]

Well lets wait and see what the folk who know what they are on about decide. Thats the issue.

More testing for the Oxford vaccine. I think they know their figures dont look convincing.

If it was just restrcited to the under 65s then I wouldn't see that as a major problem. But their best efforts look well short of offering protection to the very elderly - and that's the major objective of these vaccines: to protect those most in danger from the virus.

 

[blulouie]

The Oxford vaccine isn't convincing the scientific community over its effectiveness for all age groups - the older age group in particular.

Thats pretty much what i said apart from "isnt convincing the science cummunity "as you put it.
Once the assurances for the elderly are met it will be rolled out.
Its safety measure , and the right way to do it.

 

[COYBL25]

Sounds extremely selfish to me

The “ I’ll wait gang “ will soon change their tune when they aren’t allowed into grounds, gigs, cinemas and can’t go on foreign holidays etc.