Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Chris O'Connor]

Apparently it was first discovered in June. 260 cases by now. On the face of it not very infectious.
Even so, should Denmark be put into isolation.?

Is a dangerous new coronavirus strain circulating in farmed mink?

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[Chris O'Connor]

I'm no conspiracy junkie and and am not anti lockdown in any shape or form but it's obvious we can't go on with permanent cycles of locking down the economy for years and years.

To me it's looking like a situation in coming years, for us to get back to anything like a normally run society and economy, there will be a free of charge seasonal vaccination of all the over 65's and extremely vulnerable categories such as seriously ill patients and pregnant women, as happens now with flu for example. The vaccination also being offered to younger people if they are willing to pay.

Possibly the more vulnerable in society can then be protected at the more dangerous times of the year and those less likely to be as badly affected will unfortunately be left unprotected.

It may just become a danger we all have to live with as with other serious infectious illnesses in the not too distant past, tuberculosis for example was a killer for a large part of the last century. Eventually science will find a more permanent answer but seasonal vaccinations and living with the virus as an ever present danger in its less 'potent' time of the year seems preferable to a never ending on/off lockdown.

Tbh social distancing and sparse well spaced crowds at sports events may just have to become the new normal.

 

[Tipp blue]

I'm no conspiracy junkie and and am not anti lockdown in any shape or form but it's obvious we can't go on with permanent cycles of locking down the economy for years and years.

To me it's looking like a situation in coming years, for us to get back to anything like a normally run society and economy, there will be a free of charge seasonal vaccination of all the over 65's and extremely vulnerable categories such as seriously ill patients and pregnant women, as happens now with flu for example. The vaccination also being offered to younger people if they are willing to pay.

Possibly the more vulnerable in society can then be protected at the more dangerous times of the year and those less likely to be as badly affected will unfortunately be left unprotected.

It may just become a danger we all have to live with as with other serious infectious illnesses in the not too distant past, tuberculosis for example was a killer for a large part of the last century. Eventually science will find a more permanent answer but seasonal vaccinations and living with the virus as an ever present danger in its less 'potent' time of the year seems preferable to a never ending on/off lockdown.

Tbh social distancing and sparse well spaced crowds at sports events may just have to become the new normal.

It's ridiculous at this stage the way this is being delt with. I hope I live to see the day that historians and scientists look at this as the biggest overreaction of all time, at least future generations will have a blueprint on how not to deal with a pandemic. Lockdown and medical tunnel vision will have far worse effects on countries than this virus ever would even unchecked.
300,000 cancer screenings have been postponed in Ireland due to this, out of a population of 5 million, absolute ridiculous to the extreme. I haven't heard numbers of other diseases not being treated or diagnosed heart disease, stroke, mental health and any other potential fatal disorders. It seems you can suffer and die from anything as long as its not Covid. The first victim of this is logic and common sense.

More than 300,000 cancer screenings delayed due to Covid crisis | BreakingNews

The pandemic forced the suspension of services and reduced screening capacity

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[grandjoeblue]

Is a dangerous new coronavirus strain circulating in farmed mink?

Denmark officials plan to cull all mink in the country's fur farms to contain the spread of a coronavirus mutation The Danish government has ordered the slaughter of all farmed mink in the country after the reported discovery of a mutant form of coronavirus in the animals. It has already spread...

www.newscientist.com

If this makes the vaccine ineffective surely they will eventually have to stop this lockdown strategy?

People can't do this forever and its just going to result in massive numbers of suicides as time goes on.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

It's ridiculous at this stage the way this is being delt with. I hope I live to see the day that historians and scientists look at this as the biggest overreaction of all time, at least future generations will have a blueprint on how not to deal with a pandemic. Lockdown and medical tunnel vision will have far worse effects on countries than this virus ever would even unchecked.
300,000 cancer screenings have been postponed in Ireland due to this, out of a population of 5 million, absolute ridiculous to the extreme. I haven't heard numbers of other diseases not being treated or diagnosed heart disease, stroke, mental health and any other potential fatal disorders. It seems you can suffer and die from anything as long as its not Covid. The first victim of this is logic and common sense.

More than 300,000 cancer screenings delayed due to Covid crisis | BreakingNews

The pandemic forced the suspension of services and reduced screening capacity

www.breakingnews.ie

Yes I'm afraid they're all good points Tipp, perhaps the worst consequences of the first lockdown here in England, and by the sounds of it Ireland too, was exactly as you say the far more serious illnesses (for the majority of people) left undiagnosed and untreated.

Cancer, chronic heart disease to name just two, were conditions where sadly deaths soared largely because patients were extremely reluctant to visit hospitals for appointments for crucial scans and biopsies.

Operations, for conditions where it was possible to do do, were put on hold as the capacity had to be increased, but cancer referrals missed are of a different order completely and should have been kept as a matter of urgency, Covid or no Covid it's irrelevant. The message of 'Protect the NHS' in England had untold unforeseen consequences and should never be repeated in the way it was put out. Patients took it to mean not turning up for crucial appointments when suffering life threatening conditions.

This time doctors are calling for all cancer patients to turn up for appointments as you can't miss them. Even this is not going into the delays in chemotherapy and radiotherapy treatments, it was an unmitigated disaster, and that's only for cancer not chronic heart disease or other serious conditions

 

[Tipp blue]

Yes I'm afraid they're all good points Tipp, perhaps the worst consequences of the first lockdown here in England, and by the sounds of it Ireland too, was exactly as you say the far more serious illnesses (for the majority of people) left undiagnosed and untreated.

Cancer, chronic heart disease to name just two, were conditions where sadly deaths soared largely because patients were extremely reluctant to visit hospitals for appointments for crucial scans and biopsies.

Operations, for conditions where it was possible to do do, were put on hold as the capacity had to be increased, but cancer referrals missed are of a different order completely and should have been kept as a matter of urgency, Covid or no Covid it's irrelevant. The message of 'Protect the NHS' in England had untold unforeseen consequences and should never be repeated in the way it was put out. Patients took it to mean not turning up for crucial appointments when suffering life threatening conditions.

This time doctors are calling for all cancer patients to turn up for appointments as you can't miss them. Even this is not going into the delays in chemotherapy and radiotherapy treatments, it was an unmitigated disaster, and that's only for cancer not chronic heart disease or other serious conditions

I'm not sure how reliable the Guardian is as a source but if this is true then it's horrific and this is just dementia alone. My granny has dementia and is in a nursing home near Birmingham and nobody was allowed to visit her obviously my Mother living in Ireland couldn't get over even after the visiting restrictions were lifted during the summer as she would have had to take 2 weeks unpaid leave from work to isolate when she got home but my uncle who lives a short walk from the nursing home wasn't allowed to visit. Granny has deteriorated alot due in some part to the isolation as dementia patients rely on family visits from familiar faces to keep them going.

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[Chris O'Connor]

I'm not sure how reliable the Guardian is as a source but if this is true then it's horrific and this is just dementia alone. My granny has dementia and is in a nursing home near Birmingham and nobody was allowed to visit her obviously my Mother living in Ireland couldn't get over even after the visiting restrictions were lifted during the summer as she would have had to take 2 weeks unpaid leave from work to isolate when she got home but my uncle who lives a short walk from the nursing home wasn't allowed to visit. Granny has deteriorated alot due in some part to the isolation as dementia patients rely on family visits from familiar faces to keep them going.

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All too true I'm afraid. In the current environment it's not easy to find the right balance and good intentions as far as being careful to not spread the disease can be too uniform throughout, even where it's not the best policy.

The Guardian, The Times, The independent and Telegraph are all reliable on medical matters.

 

[davek]

I'm no conspiracy junkie and and am not anti lockdown in any shape or form but it's obvious we can't go on with permanent cycles of locking down the economy for years and years.

To me it's looking like a situation in coming years, for us to get back to anything like a normally run society and economy, there will be a free of charge seasonal vaccination of all the over 65's and extremely vulnerable categories such as seriously ill patients and pregnant women, as happens now with flu for example. The vaccination also being offered to younger people if they are willing to pay.

Possibly the more vulnerable in society can then be protected at the more dangerous times of the year and those less likely to be as badly affected will unfortunately be left unprotected.

It may just become a danger we all have to live with as with other serious infectious illnesses in the not too distant past, tuberculosis for example was a killer for a large part of the last century. Eventually science will find a more permanent answer but seasonal vaccinations and living with the virus as an ever present danger in its less 'potent' time of the year seems preferable to a never ending on/off lockdown.

Tbh social distancing and sparse well spaced crowds at sports events may just have to become the new normal.

There is no locking down of the economy. You're equating the hospitality sector with the whole of the economy.

A list of places still open:

Food shops, supermarkets, garden centres, hardware stores, building merchants and off-licences, petrol stations, car repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, taxi and vehicle hire businesses, banks, building societies, post offices, loan providers and money transfer businesses, medical services such as dentists, opticians and pharmacies, vets and pet shops, agricultural supplies shops, High Street businesses such as storage facilities, funeral directors, launderettes, dry cleaners, car parks, motorway service stations. Restaurants still do takeaway including alcohol.

Public transprt is operational, schools, colleges and universities still open.

I'm not seeing lockdown here much beyond people who want to shove meals and ale down your throat.

This "lockdown" is a mirage - a con trick.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

There is no locking down of the economy. You're equating the hospitality sector with the whole of the economy.

A list of places still open:

Food shops, supermarkets, garden centres, hardware stores, building merchants and off-licences, petrol stations, car repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, taxi and vehicle hire businesses, banks, building societies, post offices, loan providers and money transfer businesses, medical services such as dentists, opticians and pharmacies, vets and pet shops, agricultural supplies shops, High Street businesses such as storage facilities, funeral directors, launderettes, dry cleaners, car parks, motorway service stations. Restaurants still do takeaway including alcohol.

Public transprt is operational, schools, colleges and universities still open.

I'm not seeing lockdown here much beyond people who want to shove meals and ale down your throat.

This "lockdown" is a mirage - a con trick.

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[Chris O'Connor]

Apparently it was first discovered in June. 260 cases by now. On the face of it not very infectious.
Even so, should Denmark be put into isolation.?

The mink strain has now spread and has cases in six countries, Sweden, U.S.A., The Netherlands, Italy and Spain as well as Denmark itself.

Any hope of containment now looks well over.

 

[The binman chronicles]

There is no locking down of the economy. You're equating the hospitality sector with the whole of the economy.

A list of places still open:

Food shops, supermarkets, garden centres, hardware stores, building merchants and off-licences, petrol stations, car repair and MOT services, bicycle shops, taxi and vehicle hire businesses, banks, building societies, post offices, loan providers and money transfer businesses, medical services such as dentists, opticians and pharmacies, vets and pet shops, agricultural supplies shops, High Street businesses such as storage facilities, funeral directors, launderettes, dry cleaners, car parks, motorway service stations. Restaurants still do takeaway including alcohol.

Public transprt is operational, schools, colleges and universities still open.

I'm not seeing lockdown here much beyond people who want to shove meals and ale down your throat.

This "lockdown" is a mirage - a con trick.

High Street shops that offer click and collect too.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Apparently it was first discovered in June. 260 cases by now. On the face of it not very infectious.
Even so, should Denmark be put into isolation.?

Denmark has now been made a special case with a ban on travel introduced.

There will not be any quarantine provision for Danish visitors. As of this morning visitors from Denmark will be refused entry to the UK full stop, as a total ban has now been introduced, this won't stop the virus as it's only a legal enforcement and as we now know cases have spread to at least five other countries and it won't stop illegal entry.

UK citizens that have recently returned or will do so will have to undergo 14 days quarantine.

 

[davek]

High Street shops that offer click and collect too.

Mr O'Connor's case here seems a little bit flimsy.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Putting the Great back into Britain...

'I was refused a home Covid test after credit check'

A BBC investigation finds people are being refused home Covid tests because of their credit histories.

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[AUXLEN]

Haven't had a drink in months and after today decided to have one and me mam (72) starts having a high temp 40 and breathing difficulties again. The last thing we want is to jump the gun and send her to hospital where (it seems) she will deffo catch it, but at the same time if she has it she will need to go to hozzy...,arrrrgggghhh