Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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NilSatisOptimum said:
You won't get rid of flu in a few days, a week in bed for 'real flu'. Head cold yes...
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well I can only tell you what I’ve had

I’ve not really had a cold - just a banging headache and then severe, severe fatigue

started last Sunday afternoon, but i can’t afford the time off work so I kept working (from home). Eased off Tuesday and Wednesday a bit - so I assumed I was just run down - but then it hit me again hard Thursday, into Friday and seemed to start getting on Saturday.

could easily just be a bug and a combination of being run down, but Jimmy Jeffers’ is describing the exact same symptoms that I had
 
Kenshin said:
True story this.

Back when labour gave the NHS extra funds , they didn't pump it all into healthcare. They created managers instead to the point where a lot of money even now is in management of something or other.

Our department being admin alone, with 5 depts to run of varying size of 40/30 to say 6 staff depending on the dept and their role has 7 senior management roles. Not including the likes of myself at office level , that takes you far higher .

There was jobs advertised not too long ago that was looking for general deputy and assistant managers for the same department! Most internal jobs are very high up and many lower jobs either don't get put back out for advert or put on hold.

There may be a funding issue much bigger than this on the medical side, but from NHS side, they did waste a lot of extra funding creating management roles that just weren't needed.

Saying that there is a lot of nepotism and hand picked roles within the non clinical service anyway , I only got lucky coming from an external recruitment at the time.
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My mum was quite high up in NHS management. She's told me a lot of stories about mismanagement. Wasting of funds. Over staffing like you said. A friend of mine in IT project management for the NHS was on a phenomenal pay grade at age 30 odd. It's ridiculous the pay. He told me one example, they had a project for over a year and a half, it cost several million pounds. The project lead got promoted or moved elsewhere and as he was the main guy they just binned the whole project!!

And the big problem is, these managers have no one to answer to!! They need an external body to audit the NHS 24 hrs a day.

Our local trust Southport and Ormskirk a few years a go was found that the top 4 people in charge were paying themselves all 6 figure salaries and taking up to 3-4 months holiday off a year each fully paid!! They were all fired I believe.

It goes so so deep in to the NHS its unbelievable. Procurement managers taking backhanders from suppliers who charge 10 times the prices for goods that you can buy on Amazon. The whole thing is built on greed and immoral behaviour.

It hemorrhages money when it is actually funded extremely well. Just wait until the Tories privatise it and were paying £100 for 1 single asthma inhaler or shot of insulin.
 
Tramps_mate said:
My mum was quite high up in NHS management. She's told me a lot of stories about mismanagement. Wasting of funds. Over staffing like you said. A friend of mine in IT project management for the NHS was on a phenomenal pay grade at age 30 odd. It's ridiculous the pay. He told me one example, they had a project for over a year and a half, it cost several million pounds. The project lead got promoted or moved elsewhere and as he was the main guy they just binned the whole project!!

And the big problem is, these managers have no one to answer to!! They need an external body to audit the NHS 24 hrs a day.

Our local trust Southport and Ormskirk a few years a go was found that the top 4 people in charge were paying themselves all 6 figure salaries and taking up to 3-4 months holiday off a year each fully paid!! They were all fired I believe.

It goes so so deep in to the NHS its unbelievable. Procurement managers taking backhanders from suppliers who charge 10 times the prices for goods that you can buy on Amazon. The whole thing is built on greed and immoral behaviour.

It hemorrhages money when it is actually funded extremely well. Just wait until the Tories privatise it and were paying £100 for 1 single asthma inhaler or shot of insulin.
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True story.

I have a mate who works for a Trust, high up in accounts.

A ceiling light bulb in his office kept blowing and to get it replaced required a “ contracted “ maintenance company to come out a replace the bulb.

If a member of staff took it upon themselves to go out and buy a bulb and fit it, it was a discipline offence.

Out of curiosity, my mate did a bit of digging to see what the cost of replacing the bulb was.

It was well over a hundred quid, as the firm billed for the call out, the bulb at a ridiculous price and for an hours labour - to replace a bulb !!!!!!!!

When he tried to raise it with the higher ups, they just shrugged, so from that point on he came to an agreement with his team that any bulbs that went, they would replace them on the QT.
 
Who's this Tony Blair guy talking sense on the radio this morning?
Get the vaccine out there even if it's only 40-50 % effective. It will save some lives and at the very least ease the symptoms for up to half of folk, probably more.
 
COYBL25 said:
True story.

I have a mate who works for a Trust, high up in accounts.

A ceiling light bulb in his office kept blowing and to get it replaced required a “ contracted “ maintenance company to come out a replace the bulb.

If a member of staff took it upon themselves to go out and buy a bulb and fit it, it was a discipline offence.

Out of curiosity, my mate did a bit of digging to see what the cost of replacing the bulb was.

It was well over a hundred quid, as the firm billed for the call out, the bulb at a ridiculous price and for an hours labour - to replace a bulb !!!!!!!!

When he tried to raise it with the higher ups, they just shrugged, so from that point on he came to an agreement with his team that any bulbs that went, they would replace them on the QT.
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Yeah, quite common, I'm sure others here will know a lot more about it than me, but it's a consequence of lowest bid gets the work and then build in stupid charges for the profit. There's a name for it like.
 
gonetomorrow said:
Who's this Tony Blair guy talking sense on the radio this morning?
Get the vaccine out there even if it's only 40-50 % effective. It will save some lives and at the very least ease the symptoms for up to half of folk, probably more.
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But, isn't that illegal?

Not that it's stopped Blair before, like.

I mean the general point is right that if, as hoped, a vaccine can be rolled out to frontline staff before Christmas, then we might see it be able to be given to the vulnerable groups early in the new year.

Could at least mean we don't have to lockdown again come Feb time.
 
COYBL25 said:
True story.

I have a mate who works for a Trust, high up in accounts.

A ceiling light bulb in his office kept blowing and to get it replaced required a “ contracted “ maintenance company to come out a replace the bulb.

If a member of staff took it upon themselves to go out and buy a bulb and fit it, it was a discipline offence.

Out of curiosity, my mate did a bit of digging to see what the cost of replacing the bulb was.

It was well over a hundred quid, as the firm billed for the call out, the bulb at a ridiculous price and for an hours labour - to replace a bulb !!!!!!!!

When he tried to raise it with the higher ups, they just shrugged, so from that point on he came to an agreement with his team that any bulbs that went, they would replace them on the QT.
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I've heard something similar to that although not really my dept that!

There's loads of stories I've heard from staff from 'management' over the years and stuff I've seen that sadly I can't share on the internet that would really open your eyes on how bad the NHS can be.
 
COYBL25 said:
True story.

I have a mate who works for a Trust, high up in accounts.

A ceiling light bulb in his office kept blowing and to get it replaced required a “ contracted “ maintenance company to come out a replace the bulb.

If a member of staff took it upon themselves to go out and buy a bulb and fit it, it was a discipline offence.

Out of curiosity, my mate did a bit of digging to see what the cost of replacing the bulb was.

It was well over a hundred quid, as the firm billed for the call out, the bulb at a ridiculous price and for an hours labour - to replace a bulb !!!!!!!!

When he tried to raise it with the higher ups, they just shrugged, so from that point on he came to an agreement with his team that any bulbs that went, they would replace them on the QT.
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The odd thing is that a lot of this will be tied in to a Facilities Management contract anyway, or at least should be. It seems that a lot of the contracts were negotiated very, very badly.

My ma worked in the NHS for decades and was always stunned that if a nurse undertook internally provided training, by a internal trainer paid monthly by the NHS, the cost of the training would actually be deducted from the departments budget - so even though there was no real cost involved - money was being moved around to cover ‘costs!’
 
BlueToff said:
well I can only tell you what I’ve had

I’ve not really had a cold - just a banging headache and then severe, severe fatigue

started last Sunday afternoon, but i can’t afford the time off work so I kept working (from home). Eased off Tuesday and Wednesday a bit - so I assumed I was just run down - but then it hit me again hard Thursday, into Friday and seemed to start getting on Saturday.

could easily just be a bug and a combination of being run down, but Jimmy Jeffers’ is describing the exact same symptoms that I had
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Not dismissing your illness, just doubt the flu. If you had the flu you would not be posting anything anywhere if it were flu, serious illness in its own right flu. Man Flu more commonly known as typical cold, maybe, makes you feel rotten, but it's not flu.
BlueToff said:
It’s Tory WUM rhetoric to agree with you but also point out most countries in Europe are having to go into lockdown so their health systems don’t get over run? Why else are they off into lockdown then - for a laugh?

Grow up
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It's all Tories have is rhetoric, because the figures and reports from those dastardly experts all say the same, defunding of the NHS. At least we have moved on from 'Bashful Tory to Bullpooping Tory'. Not interested in look over there not here tactic either.
 
Let’s completely over dramatise data cherry picking while giving the real bastards a free pass!





Shut Care Homes. Prosecute Operators. Stop COVID.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Not dismissing your illness, just doubt the flu. If you had the flu you would not be posting anything anywhere if it were flu, serious illness in its own right flu. Man Flu more commonly known as typical cold, maybe, makes you feel rotten, but it's not flu.


It's all Tories have is rhetoric, because the figures and reports from those dastardly experts all say the same, defunding of the NHS. At least we have moved on from 'Bashful Tory to Bullpooping Tory'. Not interested in look over there not here tactic either.
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Oh fair enough and I didn't take it that way. Like I said, wasn't on death's door - just never felt fatigue like it and can see how it's going to be difficult for people to distinguish between that and mild covid symptoms as there appears to be a fair bit of crossover!

On your second point, I agree the NHS is underfunded, though there is also a valid point that the money the Trusts do get is spent badly in some cases.

My point wasn't 'look over here' really. But the whole of Europe is struggling with this thing. So even in countries with better-funded healthcare, they're having to lockdown. The only one that aren't really are Sweden, but they never did go into full lockdown beyond stopping big crowds etc (though I'm aware they may impose stricter restrictions this time around)

It's a crap, unsustainable tactic but it's where we are.
 
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