Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Nymzee]

But using should means nothing.

At some point using what we should be doing and what we are doing have to be one and the same. If we aren't doing what we should then there is a problem not being addressed by focusing attention on elsewhere. So for every pub not doing as they should so to speak, it makes a joke that someone can't visit someone else now.

It's should be all or nothing , not half arsed hope for the best

Well that's why people like Dave are advocating shutting down pubs etc. for a while.

 

[Nymzee]

Last month i was randomly selected to take part in a random testing by Imperial College London. I heard on the radio 80k took part and the positive results was 1 per 200 people. A slight decline from the previous set of results.

It's just a snapshot but vital in collecting data.

Me too but they didn't offer any reward money so cba.

 

[Kenshin]

A half arsed attempt to control a virus is better than no attempt.

Trying to keep the economy ticking over while saving lives is going to mean conflicting guidance, due to the very nature of trying to get a balance.

The government have made a mess of it but people ignoring guidance because they don't like the government or because they can't be bothered to follow it, will result in more people dying.

Not that these kind of people really care that much because it's all about 'them' and not about how it affects 'others'.

Given the majority of infections are under 40 and the average age of death is 82, there is something missing there right?

But a half arsed attempt by a government is incompetent. Especially 6 months later , it proves they have learned nothing and continue to operate on a reactionary basis and a hope for the best attitude.

 

[Moomin]

Me too but they didn't offer any reward money so cba.

I wanted to see if i could create that childhood joy of sticking lego up my nose.

 

[whiteshadow]

Funny you should say that

I've been posting a lot recently based on actual proven figures , opinions based on those actual statistics.

I've even started providing research on former opinions that I can now back up , yet was called out on that front when I posted them.

If you are going to profile me as a poster then at least read my posts first before you do lol

So given I now talk using actual statistics and you offer guessing numbers as the same thing, which one of us is basing opinion on fact? Because it's possible to test everyone , the government were in the news recently as planning on doing just that next year, a mass test initiative to find out the true numbers.

When you have literally the ability to test people and then provide guesses instead, it's not reliable.

Because here is the slight flaw to your argument. I was tested for the antibodies back in June , that was 4 months ago. I could have caught covid-19 at any time since then and my test will remain the same. Given infections are rising , how can you guess how many have had it when that anti body test can change the next day?

That's why you can't just guess , that's why you test.

I know your profile pretty well.

You chat a lot of wham and half your posts contradict themselves and are often non sensical, pretty much like this one.

 

[Kenshin]

Well that's why people like Dave are advocating shutting down pubs etc. for a while.

Whereas I advocate concentrating protection for those who will die and let the ones who aren't get on with things.

Still keep deaths low , keeps the economy back in motion and realise you can't stop people catching the virus. All you can do really is protect those who shouldn't be catching it.

 

[Nymzee]

Whereas I advocate concentrating protection for those who will die and let the ones who aren't get on with things.

Still keep deaths low , keeps the economy back in motion and realise you can't stop people catching the virus. All you can do really is protect those who shouldn't be catching it.

This implies only the old & vulnerbale so far have died/suffered lasting problems from it.

You'd maybe have a different approach if someone younger you knew had had it real bad or died.

 

[Kenshin]

I know your profile pretty well.

You chat a lot of wham and half your posts contradict themselves and are often non sensical, pretty much like this one.

Where is the contradiction there?

You accuse me of chatting wham yet I'm the one using real proven numbers as part of my opinion?

 

[Amw79]

The thing is.

They haven't tested everyone for antibodies , they are guessing.

Until they test everyone, saying a percentage is meaningless because it's based on a guess .

It’s not a guess, it’s a sample, which is upscaled to a population. Not a perfect measure, but not guesswork. There is somewhere between “testing everybody” and “guessing”.

I mean, it’s not as trusted a source as that Anomaly loon you were quoting yesterday, but not much is.

 

[whiteshadow]

Last month i was randomly selected to take part in a random testing by Imperial College London. I heard on the radio 80k took part and the positive results was 1 per 200 people. A slight decline from the previous set of results.

It's just a snapshot but vital in collecting data.

Yeah, true.

 

[Kenshin]

This implies only the old & vulnerbale so far have died/suffered lasting problems from it.

You'd maybe have a different approach if someone younger you knew had had it real bad or died.

Not really.

As I'm saying to your man above, the actual numbers don't reflect that. There's barely a change under 44 in deaths this year. Compared to previous years , that number is fairly constant as well.

Whereas in age groups over 65 there is a massive increase between march and may.

I'm literally repeating the statistics here. This isn't opinion , it's in black and white on the government website.

 

[Kenshin]

It’s not a guess, it’s a sample, which is upscaled to a population. Not a perfect measure, but not guesswork. There is somewhere between “testing everybody” and “guessing”.

I mean, it’s not as trusted a source as that Anomaly loon you were quoting yesterday, but not much is.

Lol

Given I rarely post in the politics threads these days , it's weird that you would mention the opinions of someone else?

It's off topic like but attributing someone else's opinions to me is just silly right?

 

[whiteshadow]

Given the majority of infections are under 40 and the average age of death is 82, there is something missing there right?

But a half arsed attempt by a government is incompetent. Especially 6 months later , it proves they have learned nothing and continue to operate on a reactionary basis and a hope for the best attitude.

I agree. The government are a joke in how they're handling this but that doesn't mean people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

The thing I don't undersand, is if you just don't like the government or if you just want to undermine the guidelines so you don't have to follow them.

The actual guidelines, if followed, will help, probably not enough but still far better than to do nothing.

 

[whiteshadow]

It’s not a guess, it’s a sample, which is upscaled to a population. Not a perfect measure, but not guesswork. There is somewhere between “testing everybody” and “guessing”.

I mean, it’s not as trusted a source as that Anomaly loon you were quoting yesterday, but not much is.

Thank you for putting what I was trying to say far better than I did.

 

[Nymzee]

Not really.

As I'm saying to your man above, the actual numbers don't reflect that. There's barely a change under 44 in deaths this year. Compared to previous years , that number is fairly constant as well.

Whereas in age groups over 65 there is a massive increase between march and may.

I'm literally repeating the statistics here. This isn't opinion , it's in black and white on the government website.

Just because expected deaths for U-44's might not be much different (haven't checked if this is actually correct), without knowing the makeup of those numbers, A.K.A. what % of those deaths are due to COVID, how can you dismiss it as something we should just let pass around that demographic without a care in the world?