Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[arminisgod]

It was always going to go back up, until there is a vaccine it will go up and down. Life must go on though.

People have a choice, crack on or shield. Simple

 

[zzr45]

It's not a secret, and there is analysis going on.
The last published data ( for England ) will be about a week out of date now, but said



... and the top graph on the right shows the spread of cases by age pictorially. The bottom graph would be more useful ( to illustrate positivity ) if it concentrated on recent weeks, but you still get the gist from it.


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But again, not in that tweet, nor anything linking to the more in-depth analysis which explains it more. The issue is that these sort of media soundbites leave so many questions unanswered that the slackjawed of the world can repurpose them to serve whatever agenda they see fit. As an example I've seen - Increase in positive tests and more asylum seekers on boats. The two are completely unrelated but these open interpretations easily allow knuckle draggers to fill in the gaps with their rhetoric (AS in city centre hotels are spreading it) which then spread like wildfire across social media. Scapegoat is found, no one changes their behaviour, cycle continues.

 

[orchard]

Samuel Ward Academy, in Haverhill in Suffolk, has been forced to close after it was confirmed that five members of teaching staff had tested positive for coronavirus.

A further two staff are also waiting for the results of a test.

 

[dead_soft]

It was always going to go back up, until there is a vaccine it will go up and down. Life must go on though.

People have a choice, crack on or shield. Simple

It’s not that simple though. If most people decide to ‘crack on’ they’re putting the NHS under strain, spreading the virus, and putting people, even those shielding at risk. If this was a simple thing it would have been done.
The problem is, it’s complex and The UK has a government that doesn’t do complexity.

 

[Kenshin]

Article on sky news says something that you would expect is the reality on this country since the start

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-are-the-numbers-changing-in-the-uk-12059828

Researchers at Imperial College London studied more than 100,000 people in England and found almost 6% of them had antibodies to the virus. If repeated across the whole population, it could mean around four million people in the UK had COVID-19 at some point.

I have always thought this to be the case. You can't have thousands of deaths and such a small infection number. We know it's small because they weren't testing back then so perhaps millions are safe without even knowing it.

If you are pulling thousands of positive tests a day now then it is something to look into. However if people aren't dying with it , it starts a completely different discussion.

 

[Brennan]

It was always going to go back up, until there is a vaccine it will go up and down. Life must go on though.

People have a choice, crack on or shield. Simple

Yeah, simple.

 

[COYBL25]

It’s not that simple though. If most people decide to ‘crack on’ they’re putting the NHS under strain, spreading the virus, and putting people, even those shielding at risk. If this was a simple thing it would have been done.
The problem is, it’s complex and The UK has a government that doesn’t do complexity.

My interpretation of his post, is that he meant we’ve got to live with it for the foreseeable future and try to live our lives as normally as we possibly can.

You mention the government ( again ) yet it’s also down to people young and old to take responsibility for their own actions and the possible consequences for others of those actions.

The government can’t be blamed for the hundreds attending illegal parties all over the country every weekend and all the others flouting the rules.

 

[Brennan]

My interpretation of his post, is that he meant we’ve got to live with it for the foreseeable future and try to live our lives as normally as we possibly can.

You mention the government ( again ) yet it’s also down to people young and old to take responsibility for their own actions and the possible consequences for others of those actions.

The government can’t be blamed for the hundreds attending illegal parties all over the country every weekend and all the others flouting the rules.

The government can however absolutely be blamed for not providing adequate testing so that people have to travel hours for a test (possibly infecting people wherever they stop for a slash or to get petrol), or for pressuring people to go back to work in an office because scumbags like Raab are more concerned about getting city centre Pret's open again.

 

[Catfish Blues]

But again, not in that tweet, nor anything linking to the more in-depth analysis which explains it more. The issue is that these sort of media soundbites leave so many questions unanswered that the slackjawed of the world can repurpose them to serve whatever agenda they see fit. As an example I've seen - Increase in positive tests and more asylum seekers on boats. The two are completely unrelated but these open interpretations easily allow knuckle draggers to fill in the gaps with their rhetoric (AS in city centre hotels are spreading it) which then spread like wildfire across social media. Scapegoat is found, no one changes their behaviour, cycle continues.

It's just lazy journalism.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Are journos pandering to their readership who can't be arsed dealing with any detail, or are they being deliberately vague in what they say ? I reckon it's a bit of both, but more the former than the latter.

Pretty much all the info anyone could want is in the public domain, but, society being what it is, people either aren't arsed or prefer to complain about it rather than go looking for it. In terms of news, and data, most of the general public are like those people in meetings at work, who talk a lot, but do fuuck all.

 

[evilwebby]

Without knowing the full facts, I'd assume that this may partly be down to the more rigorous testing regime that we are now in place: more tests = more results.

Although, I suspect the official results from March and April are only a fraction of what the real scale when you consider how many people were actually dying.

While better knowledge and procedures (socially and hospitals) will have improved survival rate, I think it must have been absolutely rife for so many deaths.

Yes, I'd agree that is almost certainly the case. We may never know the scale of true number of infections that were occurring back in March.
However the current levels of testing are is not magnitudes higher than was happening from May-onwards when we really increased our testing capacity, so we can at least fairly accurately extrapolate from that point onwards.

There's been a lot of speculation why the death rate seems to have remained low. With the benefit of hindsight I think we will eventually see that all the various factors have played a part.

The rolling 7-day average for new cases globally continues to creep high. At the moment it is only marginally increases, but with schools and colleges starting up again it would not surprise me to see this going exponential again, and that would be very bad.

 

[dead_soft]

My interpretation of his post, is that he meant we’ve got to live with it for the foreseeable future and try to live our lives as normally as we possibly can.

You mention the government ( again ) yet it’s also down to people young and old to take responsibility for their own actions and the possible consequences for others of those actions.

The government can’t be blamed for the hundreds attending illegal parties all over the country every weekend and all the others flouting the rules.

I'm not sure why the 'again'?
Of course people need to take responsibility for their own actions but we're also asking individuals to bear the consequences of the actions of others - this is where government comes in.
The government also needs to take responsibility for adequate and consistent messaging, implementing a better testing procedure, not encouraging people to go back to work unnecessarily, amongst others.

 

[Brennan]

The problem with this rhetoric being posted on Twitter etc. about the fact that the majority of the cases occur in the young seems to be ignoring the issue that eventually a rampant increase among young people will reach a tipping point, whereby it spills into the older generations.

We seem to be on course for this, particularly with schools and Universities both going back.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not making any insinuations about wider implications or owt, but the wife just had a visit cancelled with a kid who was feeling a bit rum. Turns out they have had COVID for the 2nd time, and the doctors are concerned that it may have affected their heart.

 

[orchard]

Not making any insinuations about wider implications or owt, but the wife just had a visit cancelled with a kid who was feeling a bit rum. Turns out they have had COVID for the 2nd time, and the doctors are concerned that it may have affected their heart.

Documented both times?

 

[Number_25]

turns out that all of those lefty loony academics, teachers, doctors, nurses, health specialists, epidemiologists and union leaders were right about schools reopening