Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I wonder with the death rate staying low has the population achieved herd immunity and/or the virus has mutated to a weaker strain?

Even with social distancing I find it odd how there are a lot less deaths despite the R value supposedly being 1 or higher in places
Wait till everybody goes inside for The Winter, then we can see where we at.
 
I wonder with the death rate staying low has the population achieved herd immunity and/or the virus has mutated to a weaker strain?

Even with social distancing I find it odd how there are a lot less deaths despite the R value supposedly being 1 or higher in places

This really is the issue, 6 people died yesterday. There are 66million of us, so one in every 11million died. I can’t even be bothered to look at how many died of natural causes or other issues or even died on the road. We are past this, but are now being frightened into localised lockdowns, wearing masks and generally Being scared to death. The numbers do not support this......
 
This really is the issue, 6 people died yesterday. There are 66million of us, so one in every 11million died. I can’t even be bothered to look at how many died of natural causes or other issues or even died on the road. We are past this, but are now being frightened into localised lockdowns, wearing masks and generally Being scared to death. The numbers do not support this......
Nobody is "past this" until there is a vaccine unfortunately. Look at places like Australia that initially handled things well only to get a flare ups.

Wearing masks in particular is just plain common sense at little cost/effort to reduce the risk of using the far more intrusive blunt force tools like lock-downs.
 
To answer @davek, the way things are being reported now is because the PHE totally screwed up the way they were reporting things i.e misreporting a death from cancer or an automobile accident or what not as a Covid if the person that passed had tested positive for it, hence why we now see figures and averages for 1 month, 2 months and all over.

Speaking of which, they’ve not made the 60 day figure available again but for the 28 day cut off the total is 6, 10 down on yesterday and 2 down on last Wednesday bringing that area’s 7 day rolling average down to an even 8.

The earlier hospital figure sees that average fall to 6.71

Of the three, 28 days, 60 days and forever, I'd say the 60 day figure is the most accurate.

Not sure why your source thinks the 60 day figures aren't available btw mate ? The full dataset for today is available at https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/910884/COVID-19_Death_Series_20200820.xlsx and the numbers reported are 61, 26 and 6 for "forever", 60 ( + mention on death certificate ) and 28 days respectively.
 
160 odd cases in Ireland again today. Interesting study done here on two population centres, small sample but only around 2% of the population have been exposed to Covid-19. Tests carried out in Sligo and Dublin.

Our kids are back to school next Thursday, not looking forward to it but the school have put in an enormous effort to make it safe for them.

Dept of Education have been useless as far as i can make out. No additional resources in terms of teacher cover for primary schools. More or less told to go with what you you have.
 
Nobody is "past this" until there is a vaccine unfortunately. Look at places like Australia that initially handled things well only to get a flare ups.

Wearing masks in particular is just plain common sense at little cost/effort to reduce the risk of using the far more intrusive blunt force tools like lock-downs.

The USA is still in the middle of this. Just look at the death rates per country. The U.K. is past this. I’m only going on the numbers....
 
This really is the issue, 6 people died yesterday. There are 66million of us, so one in every 11million died. I can’t even be bothered to look at how many died of natural causes or other issues or even died on the road. We are past this, but are now being frightened into localised lockdowns, wearing masks and generally Being scared to death. The numbers do not support this......

You’re an intelligent guy, you must be able to see that this is a flawed argument. We may be “past it” now, in terms of comparison to the peak. But why are we past it? Because we’ve all stayed in our homes, and avoided most other people for the last 5 months.

If we were to now all disregard the social distancing, mask wearing and general avoidance of other people that the vast majority have adhered to, we’d find ourselves back in the same position as we were in April in terms of transmission and death rates (accepting that ICU mortality Rates are improved as medicine has learnt more about effective treatment).

If you were in the middle of the motorway and managed to get off it without being hit by a car, you don’t say “I’m past it” and run back to the middle of the motorway.
 
I wonder with the death rate staying low has the population achieved herd immunity and/or the virus has mutated to a weaker strain?

Even with social distancing I find it odd how there are a lot less deaths despite the R value supposedly being 1 or higher in places
Herd immunity is a con put about by right wing think tanks and the like.
It is far from certain that infection then provides long term immunity.
Increased survival rates are due to improved knowledge of treatment methods.
 
Herd immunity is a con put about by right wing think tanks and the like.
It is far from certain that infection then provides long term immunity.
Increased survival rates are due to improved knowledge of treatment methods.

You may disagree with herd immunity mate but its very much a real thing (obviously if its feasible for covid-19 is another thing all together).

But long term the more people that get it surely it must trigger an immune reaction in the population?

Like say if you or I have already had it and may not even realise - if you come into contact with it again months down the line your immune response will likely make the virus less potent to your body.

Wouldn't be out the realms of possibility that we are slowly starting to see that added in with as you say better treatments and social distancing.

When you consider how many people have had a common cold, flu or bug over the last 12 months I find it hard to believe that a good portion of the population haven't yet come into contact with the virus at some stage and either passed it off as a cold or not had any real symptoms - I dont buy the narrative that less than 5% or so of the population have had it when you consider how easy it is to spread / how contagious it is.
 
Just had a message from the Czech government saying they're offering British tourists £150 vouchers for spa breaks in the country, seeing as spas and that are still shut here. This is at a time when case numbers are still at the highest level since spring, and we had the health minister saying masks should be used in all indoor settings yesterday, before the prime minister said they shouldn't be. It's nice to know it's not just the Tories that are blithering idiots. It seems governments in general appear to attract them.

*edit, as an aside, Czech currently has more cases per capita than Croatia, which was added to the naughty list yesterday. Even more starkly, Poland has even more, yet both Poland and Czech have been open throughout, despite the large diaspora here that have presumably been traveling to see family etc.
 
Just had a message from the Czech government saying they're offering British tourists £150 vouchers for spa breaks in the country, seeing as spas and that are still shut here. This is at a time when case numbers are still at the highest level since spring, and we had the health minister saying masks should be used in all indoor settings yesterday, before the prime minister said they shouldn't be. It's nice to know it's not just the Tories that are blithering idiots. It seems governments in general appear to attract them.

What use is a spa break voucher if they're not open??? Or have I misread.
 
This really is the issue, 6 people died yesterday. There are 66million of us, so one in every 11million died. I can’t even be bothered to look at how many died of natural causes or other issues or even died on the road. We are past this, but are now being frightened into localised lockdowns, wearing masks and generally Being scared to death. The numbers do not support this......

Christ on a bike Pete... The subtle difference here is that you can't inadvertantly pass "natural causes" or cancer or car accidents onto other people and they don't require lengthy hospital stays that utilise scant resources whilst multiplying exponentially.

I had thought this would have sunk into people by now but apparently not.

The other issue is of course that the above doesn't go away once you're bored with it.
 
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