Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
The latest graph on infections and deaths underlines that there is an upswing in the rolling average.

The opening up of pubs and restaurants will see a sharp climb again.

Johnsn knows it, and he's thwowing a lot of BS around about holidays to cloud that fact.
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The all settings average has been floating in the mid 60s for a good couple of weeks now, I said it the other day it’s still a concern that the care homes and other settings are still too high in padding out the total figure when hospital ones have been largely 20 and under for over a month
 
Kenshin said:
Just because you don't agree doesn't make my opinion any less valid.
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Well that's true tbf. It's your complete lack of evidence, data, sources, qualifications, basic logic and anything beyond a description of your personal gut feelings that makes it less valid. But other than that, you and LinekersLegs would be almost neck and neck
 
Moomin said:
Did you pretend to be a black doctor when you typed that?
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Stick to jarg transfer threads , it's funny there.
Prevenger17 said:
Well that's true tbf. It's your complete lack of evidence, data, sources, qualifications, basic logic and anything beyond a description of your personal gut feelings that makes it less valid. But other than that, you and LinekersLegs would be almost neck and neck
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This is actually quite funny now.

This isn't a I'm right your wrong argument. This is me questioning the statistics that were given to me as fact. I offer many different variables that are not included in the results that would change the proposed result.

The fact that the information is out of date by 2 and a half months is kinda Important, or the missing 60%.

These are all very valid points in not just taking that particular piece of information as fact and refusing any alternative view on the matter.

Like I said, if I were to offer something as inaccurate as that In my defense you would rip it apart. Yet when it's said against me you just dismiss what I say.

That's the funniest thing about it, none of you are willing to consider any possible different version of it. You try to dismiss what I'm saying because you don't agree rather than have a grown up discussion that factored in my opinion.

None of you have actually proven to me what I have offered as being inplausable or invalid. I wonder why that is?
 
Kenshin said:
Your information doesn't factor medical history , non death covid-19 patients , patients who didn't know they had it so were never tested , 60% of a population , many weeks of missing information , smoking history , I could keep listing them. There is no value in the what without the why, the numbers are meaningless under all those circumstances.

Which is funny because if I offered you an inaccurate piece of information as evidence you would try to rip me apart. If I offered you any evidence of my own you would dismiss it anyway so why even bother?
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The Nature data does include it and factor in all those things, that is what I meant by ” found gender was statistically still a risk factor.”

And no it doesn’t include the other 60% of the UK population but we aren’t likely to get that data so I’m making assessments on that which we have and I’ve explained why even if we did get I don’t believe it would make any difference barred a huge underreporting of female deaths.

As for the rest, we are clearly at an impasse so I wish you a pleasant rest of your day.
 
Kenshin said:
The funny thing is that I do actually have a point in what I'm saying.

And I think you know that. Otherwise I'd have been met with far shorter responses.

Just because you don't agree doesn't make my opinion any less valid.
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To prove one of your points regarding gender differences, you should provide some studies that show that women are more affected by, and more likely to die from Covid than men. Otherwise you are engaging in Hitchen's razor, which is basically a statement that "it could always be otherwise"...which doesn't really hold much sway.

There are probably about 100 studies showing men are more likely to die (and be more affected by) covid than women. You are saying the contrary: therefore the burden of proof rests on you. Can you provide studies that disprove the gender disparity with respect to men being more affected/dying by covid relative to women?

What the data show right now is that men >> women in Covid deaths/afflictions. It could always be otherwise (e.g., we could all be living in a simulation, aliens are causing men to die more often then men, etc.), but your claim requires backing showing that men = women in Covid deaths. To put this in another perspective, people claim that bigfoot exist, despite tons of scientific data suggesting otherwise: bigfoot apologists can always say, "but you didn't look in Rhode Island...but you only asked 45% of witnesses...but you failed to search under every bridge...etc.," You can see that they are trying to shift the burden of proof onto the scientists, rather than simply producing evidence of bigfoot.
 
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