Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[roydo]

But like I ask, at what point do you stop?

I dont know. But I am not scared, just cautious, and careful. But I am "lucky" that my circumstances mean I dont have the concerns that millions have re kids/jobs/money.

 

[Kenshin]

Thing is, although all those people were sick, you probably know more people who had it without any symptoms, so you didn't know that second group were infected.

Your more general point about not worrying about catching/having the virus if you're not interacting with anyone at risk sounds, on the surface, reasonable. But though you might not be directly interacting with people at risk, sooner or later, people you're interacting with will be exposing people at risk. It might take three or four chains of transmission to move into vulnerable groups, but eventually, it'll get there.

The obvious examples are relatively young people who work in hospitals, care homes and supermarkets. You might not interact with them, but your friends, or your friends friends will do. At which point, they go into work and risk infected vulnerable people.

To answer this specifically.

Where I work we all had an antibody test not too long ago. Only a few people came back as postive and all those cases were sick without the typical breathing issues so they had a feeling that was the case.

The idea behind passing it along the chain was fine 4 months ago, there was a real risk of that. Keeping that idea going when cases are dropping is surely still peddling fear? Because if there was still a significant chance of passing on who 3 people later kill someone is then assuming the number of cases are significantly higher than what the figures suggest.

So then that surely creates an image of the country being sicker than it is? Still going by the mindset that everyone you come across is sick no matter what? When does that end?

There is one thing to have these daily figures being high and recognising the risk but then to create a scenario that goes against the figures (which is all we have to go on)? That never ends if you continue to believe that to be the case. It means we all have to assume everyone else is sick and therefore act accordingly, for pretty much forever.

Unless we are all waiting on the government to tell us it's fine, but then we all rebelled against the government telling us exactly that right?

 

[roydo]

is surely still peddling fear?

It really isnt, unless wearing a seat belt is peddling fear.

Its sensible precautions.

 

[Billy Dean]

 

[spectateur]

I'm talking about the risk factor.
. If you know off the back of that you aren't going to come across anyone who would be at risk from the virus in the next two weeks then what's the risk?
GIven that thousands upon thousands have mass gathered and the numbers have STILL dropped in the last 2 months, unless you are directly involved with people who could be killed then why is the risk determined so high still?

But the objective is to eventually stop the spread of the virus and in the meantime minimise it. Whether a recipient is high or low vulnerability is beside the point,all infected people are potential spreaders.

Whether the level of infections is lower now is debatable. Here in France the R value has risen to 2.7 in a couple of regions inundated with tourists from Paris and the North and from neighbouring countries.

 

[brieverton]

To answer this specifically.

Where I work we all had an antibody test not too long ago. Only a few people came back as postive and all those cases were sick without the typical breathing issues so they had a feeling that was the case.

The idea behind passing it along the chain was fine 4 months ago, there was a real risk of that. Keeping that idea going when cases are dropping is surely still peddling fear? Because if there was still a significant chance of passing on who 3 people later kill someone is then assuming the number of cases are significantly higher than what the figures suggest.

So then that surely creates an image of the country being sicker than it is? Still going by the mindset that everyone you come across is sick no matter what? When does that end?

There is one thing to have these daily figures being high and recognising the risk but then to create a scenario that goes against the figures (which is all we have to go on)? That never ends if you continue to believe that to be the case. It means we all have to assume everyone else is sick and therefore act accordingly, for pretty much forever.

Unless we are all waiting on the government to tell us it's fine, but then we all rebelled against the government telling us exactly that right?

I think the continuance and enforcement of measures is perfectly acceptable currently.

Everyone's personal experience will be somewhat different, but I don't think its going overboard to generalise this as a trauma for millions of people, even if its fear rather than actual covid that's responsible for that. We were in the thick of it only a few short weeks ago, it will take a long time to heal, from both mental and physical health viewpoints.

People are in essence trying to defend themselves and their loved ones, just as you would if your home was under attack. You use what tools are available.

For anyone who thinks its too much (and I don't direct at you specifically) there is someone else whose fear and anxiety is reduced at least to some extent by the measures in place.

There absolutely should be some benchmarks in place for a further lessening of restrictions and requirements. But it looks now as we are in that space where we have to allow science the time to continue and complete vaccine trials, and if we are fortunate, move to production and distribution. That might be a year off.

For as long as there is a threat of acquiring a virus that is randomly deadly, the foremost consideration must be public health. There can be a satisfactory medium between restoring "normality" to the greatest extent possible and doing our best individually and as communities to minimise spread of the virus and protect those most vulnerable.

 

[Toast]

One of the biggest bell ends in the UK is Stig.

Takes some doing.

 

[spectateur]

But like I ask, at what point do you stop?

Given the idea that it never goes away , when you do stop being cautious? At any given time you can pass a virus onto someone else which could kill them. Sure it's not as risky as this one but then the long term effects are there.

We keep wearing masks for months on end right? Until it goes away, keep us all safe. Yet the one thing that gets affected more than anything else is our immune system. It's meant to take bad stuff in to make us all healthier, the longer you stop it doing that , the more at risk we all get for getting ill with something else.

But more onto the specific point. When people get the flu vaccine, what's in it? The flu , to allow the body to develop antibodies to protect it from getting a much bigger dose. So if you spent months stopping healthy people getting even a small amount of covid 19 into their system to naturally create antibodies for the reason of fear then it amplifies the risk in the long term. You don't just 'get' covid-19. You can have it in your system and not be sick, like any other virus.

I see a danger where the fear of covid-19 gets to the point of normalised sensible behaviour. People are already going overboard in cleaning which will affect them in the future. There will be a point that the numbers will be bottom lined yet we all still have to be careful we don't catch it. At some point it will just 'go away' because that's what it is doing right now.

There was a time that having caution and fear was perfectly justifiable. At some point that has to go away with the virus, otherwise we will all be living in fear for the rest of our lives for any sort of silent killer.

Flu vaccine is based on DEAD virus.

Normal healthy people contract covid19, some get sick some don't, some die.
We are still unsure whether immunity is provided, and if it is, for how long is it effective.?

This is brand new virus, it will take time for the virologist to fully understand it.

 

[Toast]

Early days, but everyone wearing a mask here and no idiots making a scene to film it for their Facebook yet.

And there we go. Spoke too soon.
I knew the good people of Southampton wouldn’t let me down.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

And there we go. Spoke too soon.
I knew the good people of Southampton wouldn’t let me down.

Details please

 

[Toast]

Details please

“I don’t follow rules, I’m not wearing a mask”
Shouted at the top of his voice to gain attention.

Minimal attention given and just looked like a weirdo to anyone in the vicinity.

We are about to sell out of masks as well, this will cause an issue later on. People turning up without them and buying to wear immediately.
Shame we haven’t got single packets, just multipacks.

 

[Walken]

Off to Sainsburys later, and fully expect full compliance.

Is right robocop

 

[Paris]

I've just been to Tescos, everyone wearing a mask. What it has done is reminded me that we're still very much in the midst of the pandemic.

 

[Toast]

I hope some scousers have bought up all the multipacks and are selling ‘loosies’ outside the supermarkets of Merseyside this afternoon and making a few bob.

 

[summerisle]

I was about thirty-miles from there where travel/holidaying isn't as significant as places likes Welshpool (sitting on the A483/A470 to Cardiff).

There weren't many locals about yet alone people from afar. It'll be interesting in places like Rhyl or Llandudno because they will be getting many more tourists.

Stalag 41 and zombies await.lol