Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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davek said:
The day we went into lockdown there were 900 positive cases....today there's 1,200 new cases, and the decision to virtually end lockdown has been taken.
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I'll come back to your point in a minute, but you were keen to like @MarcelsGoat mistaken post about the deaths being in triple figures and have studiously ignored the fact that it was actually 42.

Anyway, in terms of positive cases, far more are being caught now by testing than were being caught prior to lockdown. Today, there were 336 positive Pillar 1 tests, and 885 Pillar 2 positive tests. When we went into lockdown, no Pillar 2 tests were being done.

So, even on a very simplistic comparison, that's not far off a third of like per like positive tests today compared to when we went into lockdown. In reality, because the testing capacity when we went into lockdown was much less than the Pillar 1 tests now being carried out, it'll be a fair bit less than a third.

I'm guessing words, not numbers are more your thing though ?

However, if you're saying we've been too relaxed with lockdown, then I'd agree with you. I think we should have locked down harder than we did, and get transmission right down to give us more flexibility. Unfortunately we didn't, and there's a medium to high risk that that'll come back to bite us.

Also unfortunately, you put forward a piss poor set of numbers to support your argument, which suggests you've lost the plot, which is a shame, because you used to be a well respected poster who wasn't afraid to post against the tide, but recently you just come across as someone floundering.

To be fair, we're all floundering and looking for someone to blame, and, because cabinet, and, to a lesser extent, government in general, have been nigh on incompetent, they're an easy target, but them being an easy target doesn't excuse an intelligent bloke typing bollocks on such an important subject.
 
jinkyali said:
Family in Scotland are Rangers season ticketers.

Club have wrote to them today informing they're hoping to build gradual increasing of fan attendance within the stadium from late August.

Fingers crossed England is the same.
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What does "gradual increasing" mean? No over 60s, dogs, Catholics, ....?
 
peteblue said:
Well, as a responsible pub owner perhaps I can educate you. When we were told to shut, we did. No takeaways. We poured beer away as instructed. We intended to continue paying our staff but fortunately the furlough scheme helped. We spent a shed load of money buying the place for our community, we spent a shed load of money doing up the outside and we have just spent another shedload of money refurbishing the whole of the inside. The pub lost a small amount of money in our first year, but money was never the issue, keeping a pub in the village was the reason.

We have no intention of opening if the medical advice is 2m because simply the pub couldn’t work with that distancing if the weather is bad. It would be unfair on our staff and we would make an even bigger loss and then ultimately have to sack people. Now we have no interest in making a profit, however we cannot just keep going with making a loss. I have no problem with closing the pub for another six months, it will actually save me money, but that’s not really the point. It employs half a dozen locals and provides a facility for the whole village, so we need it to open and break even.

Not every pub owner is grasping or money obsessed. Many pubs are like ours, not in the cities obviously, but many village communities rely upon their pubs for a variety of reasons, not just drinking.

I appreciate your generalisations, but it’s honestly not the same for everyone......
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Are you "the only pub in your village"? Must be a hamlet then.. lol lol lol
 
peteblue said:
I don’t think anyone is doing that. However, the lessons to be learnt haven’t started yet, let’s just wait until it all is revealed....
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If we dont learn lessons now, we risk repeating them. The lessons are tragically all too clear.

Slow to shut down, slow to protect care homes, slow to sort PPE, slow to recommend masks, slow to sort out track and trace- and consequently we have more deaths than any other european country - despite getting more warning than Italy, Spain etc.
 
peteblue said:
Well, as a responsible pub owner perhaps I can educate you. When we were told to shut, we did. No takeaways. We poured beer away as instructed. We intended to continue paying our staff but fortunately the furlough scheme helped. We spent a shed load of money buying the place for our community, we spent a shed load of money doing up the outside and we have just spent another shedload of money refurbishing the whole of the inside. The pub lost a small amount of money in our first year, but money was never the issue, keeping a pub in the village was the reason.

We have no intention of opening if the medical advice is 2m because simply the pub couldn’t work with that distancing if the weather is bad. It would be unfair on our staff and we would make an even bigger loss and then ultimately have to sack people. Now we have no interest in making a profit, however we cannot just keep going with making a loss. I have no problem with closing the pub for another six months, it will actually save me money, but that’s not really the point. It employs half a dozen locals and provides a facility for the whole village, so we need it to open and break even.

Not every pub owner is grasping or money obsessed. Many pubs are like ours, not in the cities obviously, but many village communities rely upon their pubs for a variety of reasons, not just drinking.

I appreciate your generalisations, but it’s honestly not the same for everyone......
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Yes, you did that alright. You underline there that you wont be prepared to open up unless you're allowed to shift from 2m to 1m...and that, it is generally accepted, increases ten-fold the chances of passing on an infection.
 
Catfish Blues said:
I'll come back to your point in a minute, but you were keen to like @MarcelsGoat mistaken post about the deaths being in triple figures and have studiously ignored the fact that it was actually 42.

Anyway, in terms of positive cases, far more are being caught now by testing than were being caught prior to lockdown. Today, there were 336 positive Pillar 1 tests, and 885 Pillar 2 positive tests. When we went into lockdown, no Pillar 2 tests were being done.

So, even on a very simplistic comparison, that's not far off a third of like per like positive tests today compared to when we went into lockdown. In reality, because the testing capacity when we went into lockdown was much less than the Pillar 1 tests now being carried out, it'll be a fair bit less than a third.

I'm guessing words, not numbers are more your thing though ?

However, if you're saying we've been too relaxed with lockdown, then I'd agree with you. I think we should have locked down harder than we did, and get transmission right down to give us more flexibility. Unfortunately we didn't, and there's a medium to high risk that that'll come back to bite us.

Also unfortunately, you put forward a piss poor set of numbers to support your argument, which suggests you've lost the plot, which is a shame, because you used to be a well respected poster who wasn't afraid to post against the tide, but recently you just come across as someone floundering.

To be fair, we're all floundering and looking for someone to blame, and, because cabinet, and, to a lesser extent, government in general, have been nigh on incompetent, they're an easy target, but them being an easy target doesn't excuse an intelligent bloke typing bollocks on such an important subject.
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Lol.

You grill me there for figures I never provided you with.
 
zzr45 said:
Yes. If you are that stupid that you consider yourself not to be living pay check to pay check, but then in the next sentence completely contradict yourself, then you should not have access to money by reason of lunacy. That kind of idiotic reasoning leads to the purchase of RS shirts and live laugh love stencils.
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What's a live laugh love stencils?
 
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