Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Will it be used in the same way in the UK as it has in every other country and what do you think the risks to track and trace are in the current climate in the UK?

Biggest thing they've messed up is they should have had the app ready to go before they lifted lockdown. The key to track and trace being a success is having the overall number of cases low enough so there are enough tracers to chase them down.

The risks to track and trace in the current climate are selfish people refusing to quarantine. Some of that will be fuelled by the events over Cummings and some of that will be people who just want to do what they want, using the Cummings incident as an excuse.

Any decent human beings, regardless of recent events, will download the app if they have a smartphone and use it to help save lives.
 
Achingly sad milestone.
One hundred thousand Americans dead in less than four months.

It’s as if every person in Edison, N.J., or Kenosha, Wis., died. It’s half the population of Salt Lake City or Grand Rapids, Mich. It’s about 20 times the number of people killed in homicides in that length of time, about twice the number who die of strokes.

The death toll from the coronavirus passed that hard-to-fathom marker on Wednesday, which slipped by like so many other days in this dark spring, one more spin of the Earth, one more headline in a numbing cascade of grim news.

Nearly three months into the brunt of the epidemic, 14 percent of Americans say they know someone who has succumbed to the virus.

These 100,000 are not nameless numbers, nor are they mostly famous people. They are, overwhelmingly, elderly — in some states, nearly two-thirds of the dead were 80 or older. They are disproportionately poor and black and Latino. Among the younger victims, many did work that allowed others to stay at home, out of the virus’s reach.

For the most part, they have died alone, leaving parents and siblings and lovers and friends with final memories not of hugs and whispered devotion, but of miniature images on a computer screen, tinny voices on the phone, hands pressed against a window.
 
I mean I would usually go with someone with some kind of expertise in the field. Unless you do, in which case I apologise.

Although I think I think the point is track and trace works much better in isolated case in order to prevent further spread. But if the growth rate is in an exponential phase (r0 above 1) then it’s ineffective.

You really are an idiot.

If you think most doctors will disagree with implementing a track and trace system you really are ignorant. I follow 3 doctors on youtube.

They interview other doctors on their channels. If you think he is representative of most doctors you're foolish.

You think every doctor and medical expert on SAGE is wrong?

It's not about me vs him. It's about most medical experts vs him because you're also disagreeing with every medical expert in every country that has implemented a track and trace system. I hate to tell you but there's quite a lot of them.
 
Macro and micro systems mate, ancedotely I think you can begin pick out the country’s who have done well and they usually had an early commitment to respiratory protection, masks and coverings.

Think a lot comes down to personal risk assessment to though, the likes of a shopping centre getting grub in, large transit environment by many people, no control over others, poorly ventilated etc, you’d be mad not to wear one. Public transport, churches etc when they open strike me as high risk to.
This lot over here wont give a flying one. The most ill disciplined bunch of dossers there is. No wonder the EU weren't arsed top lose this 'kin midden.
 
Biggest thing they've messed up is they should have had the app ready to go before they lifted lockdown. The key to track and trace being a success is having the overall number of cases low enough so there are enough tracers to chase them down.

The risks to track and trace in the current climate are selfish people refusing to quarantine. Some of that will be fuelled by the events over Cummings and some of that will be people who just want to do what they want, using the Cummings incident as an excuse.

Any decent human beings, regardless of recent events, will download the app if they have a smartphone and use it to help save lives.
And access to data; testing capacity because the ability to test is pointless without the ability to get speedy results; trained testers; prioritisation of who gets the tests; marrying up the model of data presentation of pillar 1 & 2 data to a centralised model; concerns about the quality, capability, functionality and security of an existing app for something so integral; lack of adherence to social distancing and uptake in people presenting for testing; the possibility that tests become a lottery based on which areas have better strategies or delivery; the communication of how you seek, relay messages of practicalities then ultimately present back the information to someone who may or may not have symptoms (may not is as important as a positive return); etc etc etc.

How much of that do you think is ready?
 
You really are an idiot.

If you think most doctors will disagree with implementing a track and trace system you really are ignorant. I follow 3 doctors on youtube.

They interview other doctors on their channels. If you think he is representative of most doctors you're foolish.

You think every doctor and medical expert on SAGE is wrong?

It's not about me vs him. It's about most medical experts vs him because you're also disagreeing with every medical expert in every country that has implemented a track and trace system. I hate to tell you but there's quite a lot of them.
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You really are an idiot.

If you think most doctors will disagree with implementing a track and trace system you really are ignorant. I follow 3 doctors on youtube.

They interview other doctors on their channels. If you think he is representative of most doctors you're foolish.

You think every doctor and medical expert on SAGE is wrong?

It's not about me vs him. It's about most medical experts vs him because you're also disagreeing with every medical expert in every country that has implemented a track and trace system. I hate to tell you but there's quite a lot of them.
Without wanting to burst your bubble- but in my experience, if you've spoken to one doctor, you've spoken to one doctor. I wouldn't take the opinion of 1 doctor or 3 doctors on YouTube as gospel about anything.

And if track and trace was as incontrovertible as you say across the medical and scientific community, why wasn't the UK adopting the strategy from day 1?
 
And access to data; testing capacity because the ability to test is pointless without the ability to get speedy results; trained testers; prioritisation of who gets the tests; marrying up the model of data presentation of pillar 1 & 2 data to a centralised model; concerns about the quality, capability, functionality and security of an existing app for something so integral; lack of adherence to social distancing and uptake in people presenting for testing; the possibility that tests become a lottery based on which areas have better strategies or delivery; the communication of how you seek, relay messages of practicalities then ultimately present back the information to someone who may or may not have symptoms (may not is as important as a positive return); etc etc etc.

How much of that do you think is ready?

Not all that much of it I'd imagine although I know they have been trialling a Covid test that gives far quicker results. Assuming that turns out to be a success that will help a lot.

All your points are good points but doing nothing is a far worse option than making the most of what we do have and trying to curb the infection rate.

I don't understand most peoples concerns about privacy when the majority of people have already given up their privacy freely to facebook, google, and other forms of social media that all know vastly more about individuals lives than the government would be able to obtain throught this app, even if I was prone to believing they would misuse it.
 
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