Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Genuinely believe Cumgate has caused people to give up on the lockdown. I’ve just been for a run and everybody seems to mixing again.
Took a five-minute drive to keep the battery going and I saw no evidence of a lockdown. I haven't been about for a few months and if I hadn't known of a lockdown I would have thought everything was the same as it ever been
 
Genuinely believe Cumgate has caused people to give up on the lockdown. I’ve just been for a run and everybody seems to mixing again.

This was the final nail in the coffin but really it started when Boris switched the message to “stay alert”.

The biggest issue for me is the discrepancy between the public support for the lockdown and the almost equal public flouting of the rules. Pretty sure it was at the start of May that a majority of people where still in favour of the lockdown, yet anecdotally as we approach June most people are constantly reporting instances where lockdown is just totally being ignored. Just shows that when people are polled a lot of us wil always give the “moral” answer, rather than what we actually believe. Do as I say, not as I do. In a way those people aren’t so different than Cummings...

The problem now is that when we talk about “lockdown” most people are taking about what lockdown subjectively means to them, not an actual objective lockdown. For a lot of people “stopping the NHS being overwhelmed” was the end goal and they thinks that been accomplished, ergo why can’t we all get a haircut? That’s why all that talk about “using your common sense” can be so dangerous. Not to get all YouTube life coach, but the vast majority of people are sheep, and I include myself in this. In a crisis situation you need strong leaders and experts who make clear, decisive decisions with no leeway. And it helps if they set an example...
 
This was the final nail in the coffin but really it started when Boris switched the message to “stay alert”.

The biggest issue for me is the discrepancy between the public support for the lockdown and the almost equal public flouting of the rules. Pretty sure it was at the start of May that a majority of people where still in favour of the lockdown, yet anecdotally as we approach June most people are constantly reporting instances where lockdown is just totally being ignored. Just shows that when people are polled a lot of us wil always give the “moral” answer, rather than what we actually believe. Do as I say, not as I do. In a way those people aren’t so different than Cummings...

The problem now is that when we talk about “lockdown” most people are taking about what lockdown subjectively means to them, not an actual objective lockdown. For a lot of people “stopping the NHS being overwhelmed” was the end goal and they thinks that been accomplished, ergo why can’t we all get a haircut? That’s why all that talk about “using your common sense” can be so dangerous. Not to get all YouTube life coach, but the vast majority of people are sheep, and I include myself in this. In a crisis situation you need strong leaders and experts who make clear, decisive decisions with no leeway. And it helps if they set an example...

Spot on mate.

Since Boris emerged from ICU the whole strategy has crumbled. Confused messaging, overloading the public with new initiatives, targets not met, opening shops and schools but not allowing people to see families in back gardens etc.

People are fatigued and the Cummings fiasco on the bank holiday weekend has given people the excuse needed to exercise their interpretation of this farce of a lockdown. Especially since the PM and various ministers have told them that what Cummings did was using his instincts in exceptional circumstances. The mood now is ‘if he can do that, why can’t I?’

He is a dangerous character as is Johnson for standing by him.
 
I am pretty sure SAGE didn't recommend schools opening

It's not really up to SAGE to make such a binary recommendation one way or the other. They gave estimates on the effect of 8 or 9 different scenarios in opening up schools and, off-hand, most of the estimates* for primary school reopenings came up with factors of an increase in R in the order of 1.02 to 1.1.

So, if R was 0.8 when schools reopened, then they think it'd tick up to somewhere .82 to .88, so new cases per day would continue to drop, but they'd drop slower than if primary schools stayed closed.

They didn't specifically model what'll happen on June 1st, but basically two of their scenarios put together is what the govt are pushing. My guess is that the combination of those two scenarios will be at the upper end of the factor to apply to R, but I don't think that takes into account the number of parents likely to keep their kids off ? However, I am just some blert on the internet, so wtfdIk.

*See https://assets.publishing.service.g...l-science-relaxing-school-closures-sage30.pdf
 


Wasn't quite sure where to put this given lots of people keep saying Covid19 has nothing to do with Brexit, when in the eyes of some ardent Brexiteers, nothing, not even 60000 deaths and the potential for the undermining of public trust in Government health messages, should get in the way of it.
 


Wasn't quite sure where to put this given lots of people keep saying Covid19 has nothing to do with Brexit, when in the eyes of some ardent Brexiteers, nothing, not even 60000 deaths and the potential for the undermining of public trust in Government health messages, should get in the way of it.


TBF it isn't that much about Brexit either - that, Talk Radio, the usual papers, the BP and indeed many of the newer Tory MPs for that matter are just individual means by which the people who've ran the country into the ground can pretend they are different now and so should remain in charge.

In twenty years time they'll no doubt have invented two or three new methods by which to turn the British people against each other, staffed by fearless voices who aren't afraid to talk truth on behalf of the wealthiest in society, in return for lots of money.
 
TBF it isn't that much about Brexit either - that, Talk Radio, the usual papers, the BP and indeed many of the newer Tory MPs for that matter are just individual means by which the people who've ran the country into the ground can pretend they are different now and so should remain in charge.

In twenty years time they'll no doubt have invented two or three new methods by which to turn the British people against each other, staffed by fearless voices who aren't afraid to talk truth on behalf of the wealthiest in society, in return for lots of money.
At a time when the Government is being held to account for its handling of a Pandemic response and when the national broadcaster removes a presenter from a programme for reflecting public mood about the Government response to that Pandemic you close the tweet out with 'weepforRemain' suggests to me it's mostly about Brexit one-upmanship and not Covid19.
 
At a time when the Government is being held to account for its handling of a Pandemic response and when the national broadcaster removes a presenter from a programme for reflecting public mood about the Government response to that Pandemic you close the tweet out with 'weepforRemain' suggests to me it's mostly about Brexit one-upmanship and not Covid19.

It isn't though. Its about someone who effectively works on behalf of the ruling party celebrating a victory by the ruling party.

Brexit has nothing to do with it - as everyone can see by how THE UK MUST BE KEPT UNITED turned so quickly into border in the Irish Sea once their boy got in - its just something to gull the proles with, the political equivalent of that Tracy Island of several Christmases ago.
 
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