Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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This bit was particularly worrying

The culture in care homes is this exactly - pass it on to managers otherwise you get disciplined or a 'serious conversation'

“You talk to somebody and they will sometimes give you the names of their fellow cleaners or kitchen staff in a care home, but as soon as they start talking to each other they think, well we’d better talk to our manager, and the manager says oh no – you’d better not do this,” said Jones.

“And the fact is that in all of these care settings but also in the NHS, there is no culture for contact tracing. There’s also no culture of self-isolation".

In care homes there is a 'culture of self isolation' in the sense if you have sickness and diarrhoea. you're not allowed to work for two days. This is done without pay for most care workers and sickness pay doesn't kick in until after 4 days - changed temporarily during this crisis -. So staying at home and not getting paid means no money, also there's staff shortages so people feel obliged to keep coming in because the service will be short staffed and that will affect the care given to people they support. Finally, care home managers and staff are in a very tricky position and have the welfare of those they support uppermost in their minds but giving information to 'strangers' is very much frowned upon by care organisations. Tracing and care homes would be best done through CQC and the organisation as part of a wider requirement that would involve people getting tested in the first place and not waiting for symptoms - something they've said they'd do now -more regularly. Testing is the key and then tracing be then used as a follow up.
 
Not in the industry - just know that here in the US the head of FDA and CDC are appointed by the president so likely to get people who generally fit the same politics. Not sure if Dr Fauci‘s position is the same but he’s been head of the NIH for years which has probably been a factor in his different approach to Trump. So at least here in the US it would have been a different team of people so wondered if same in UK.

The two parties here also have vastly different donor bases so would have likely had different outside factors pressuring them - am guessing in the UK a labour government would have had nurses union reps on the phone more often for instance.

I didn’t think Americans would vote Trump in the first time so I’m a very poor judge of whether they will a second time!

Not an expert on American politics but from what I can tell the Democrats seem to be trying their hardest to put the weakest possible candidate they can up against Trump. Biden seems like he's suffering from the early stages of dementia. Not sure what they're thinking really. I thought letting Hilary Clinton run was a big enough mistake and they seem to be getting it just as badly wrong this time.

Wouldn't suprise me if Trump got in again despite making a pigs ears of the whole pandemic.
 
Id be a bit cautious on that a sample of 17%, is a bit different from the whole of London, could be many variables.

It's higher than I expected, and, so far, I havn't seen any indication of what the degree of confidence is. But, if they're coming up with a figure of 17%, it's, pretty much by definition, going to be more accurate than if it was 5%.

If I remember rightly, the antibody survey was aiming to get blood samples from about 1000 households, so pushing 2000 people ? If that's right, then, given Greater London has roughly 15% of the population then they might have sampled 300 people in London, giving, at 17%, near enough 50 positive tests.

Lots of ifs and buts there, but if it's ballpark right and their sampling is reasonably representative, then you'd be talking between 45 and 55 people as a range, so 15 to a bit above 18%.

Doubtless they'll now publish the results tomorrow and prove me totally wrong, but I'm happy enough with those numbers for now.

What is odd though is Stockholm's antibody tests up to the end of April came up with 7% of the city having antibodies, which is lower than most people were expecting, so you're right to question the numbers.
 
Down in Cornwall less than 600 have tested positive, and only 178 in total have died, with roughly one third of those being in care homes. Yesterday there were 4 new cases in the county and 3 the day before.

If you did an antibodies test in Cornwall I wouldn't be surprised if less than 1% have had it, which makes us pretty vulnerable to a second outbreak.

I'm not unduly concerned about the current loosening of the guidelines. Cornwall is so remote few will travel here for the day apart from Devon, who's figures are almost as low as ours. But so many of our small business's rely on tourism and literally tens of thousands of jobs will go if we don't open up this summer. It really is a quandary for the county and it's inhabitants, who so far have had it pretty easy by comparison to the rest of the country.

Yea, I'd agree you're probably not much different to 1%, which, lets be honest, is far better than London's 17%, especially if treatments start to become available before any second wave.

You're basically the yin to Barrow's yang. The official infection rates ( by swab test ) there are completely mental and far higher than most other places
 
>25% false negatives! Speedy recovery to your brother.
Thanks

He's taking part in some new programme to try and cure leukaemia with chemotherapy, i.e. without relying on a bone marrow transplant. That was his last of 3 sessions. He needs to go into hospital every few days to have his blood levels checked and will then have a final bone marrow biopsy in 2/3 weeks. He'll find out how successful the treatment was a couple of weeks after that.

Doctors are hopeful this new treatment can bring a lasting cure, but he is one of the first patients to try it so it's fingers crossed for now.

I'm just pleased that he's been able to go back in to finish the treatment because they had to cut short his second session due to the coronavirus.
 
Yes. I wouldn't want anyone to think that the best advice, 'a belt and braces approach to staying virus free' let's say, is to wear gloves as if they provide any greater protection than normal.

I think it's a little dangerous, where someone may have a misconception, to provide them with the best available advice, rather than encourage them to continue with it.
Then you would have been rewarded and your mind been placed at rest a long time ago on that score if you'd just read all the exchanges in this thread concerning the issue instead of diving in halfway through.
 
Yea, I'd agree you're probably not much different to 1%, which, lets be honest, is far better than London's 17%, especially if treatments start to become available before any second wave.

You're basically the yin to Barrow's yang. The official infection rates ( by swab test ) there are completely mental and far higher than most other places
'kinell. What's going on in Barrow?. They're just as isolated as we are down here, miles from anywhere. I think Nymz needs to be lending some of his gloves to his mates lol.

I hadn't realised these antibody tests had been so widely done.
 
'kinell. What's going on in Barrow?. They're just as isolated as we are down here, miles from anywhere. I think Nymz needs to be lending some of his gloves to his mates lol.

I hadn't realised these antibody tests had been so widely done.

The antibody survey probably barely touched Barrow mate, so I'm not going on that, but the PHE dashboard which shows positive tests per 100,000 population on the Pillar One tests ( I presume it's Pillar One numbers anyway ) and Barrow's rate is awful.

From https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/region#category=ltlas&map=rate

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I'd guess their actual infection rate isn't as awful, but it's an economically poor area with a lot of frail, elderly people, so they're probably more likely to get admitted and tested than people in better off areas.
 
Not an expert on American politics but from what I can tell the Democrats seem to be trying their hardest to put the weakest possible candidate they can up against Trump. Biden seems like he's suffering from the early stages of dementia. Not sure what they're thinking really. I thought letting Hilary Clinton run was a big enough mistake and they seem to be getting it just as badly wrong this time.

Wouldn't suprise me if Trump got in again despite making a pigs ears of the whole pandemic.
More the Democratic primary voters than the party tbh - once it got down to a choice between Sanders and Biden a lot of older voters got scared that Sanders could never win a general election and so voted for Biden instead.
 
I don't think I'm a Johnny come lately to this subject, certainly not in criticism of the government's approach and management.
Yeah I fully accept that mate. But neither were you on here in January and February calling them out for not doing this and that. Nobody was, either in here, in Parliament or in the media.

History will show that the government failed badly in handling this virus. But all I'm saying is that nobody was saying they were failing at the time, and that it's very easy to be critical when you have the benefit of hindsight.
 
Yeah I fully accept that mate. But neither were you on here in January and February calling them out for not doing this and that. Nobody was, either in here, in Parliament or in the media.

History will show that the government failed badly in handling this virus. But all I'm saying is that nobody was saying they were failing at the time, and that it's very easy to be critical when you have the benefit of hindsight.
In January, no one quite believed it could be bad, February, I was sick as a dog tbf, early March I called out considering herd immunity for the hair brained idea it was, and had criticised the Liverpool match going ahead. I've been critical of the lack of testing, the failure to obtain PPE. This was before lockdown, not in hindsight, and GOT isn't the only place to post about Corona.
 
More the Democratic primary voters than the party tbh - once it got down to a choice between Sanders and Biden a lot of older voters got scared that Sanders could never win a general election and so voted for Biden instead.

Yep, get the same kind of issues here sometimes. Will be an interesting election assuming it goes ahead like expected at the end of the year.
 
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