Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[mill]

Its just so confusing isnt it?

Like, and this sounds awful but I think you will get what I mean. It seems that in an awful lot of cases, Covid has accelerated a death for folk already under the pump, health wise. But then we are told that the "expected" death rate is way higher than normal.

So will that mean that the "expected" death rate come the winter will be lower cos Covid has done a number on many already?

And I get a bit queasy comparing country to country. We have no idea how others count, and with some, we have no idea if they are even telling the true story.

I guess we all just have to live our lives as best we can, and see what the picture is when it emerges.

I saw some stats really on the said exactly this. That covid related deaths didn’t necessarily mean additional deaths.

It’s why I suggested looking at excess deaths over a year (preferably two) as that would remove some of the ‘seasonality’. Compare that to the 10 year average and that will give you an idea of the impact of Covid (IMO).

it’s grim to talk about but that’s how I’d do it.

 

[roydo]

Another aspect of the school debate. The missus said this evening that domestic violence cases are up by 60%, with the lockdown the primary cause of that.

Inadequate males is where I would place the blame personally.

 

[mill]

Another aspect of the school debate. The missus said this evening that domestic violence cases are up by 60%, with the lockdown the primary cause of that.

This is something we need to consider. There are wider vulnerabilities. Those in vulnerable demographics are even more at risk right now.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I dont understand his need to compartmentalise to the nth degree the excess total deaths - in one way or another the vast majority will be Covid19-related.

It's that type of finessing of figures that can be used to 'add context' to the rank performance of the UK Government.

Whereas I can perfectly understand it and do it myself despite being far from an apologist for UK (or US for that matter!) handling of the pandemic.

Some of us never grew out of that annoying kids phase of asking “why is“ at repeated stages lol

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Inadequate males is where I would place the blame personally.

Well of course, but the lockdown has placed both them and their children at home so they can vent their inadequacies on their family. She also said there was a rise in homelessness among women who simply fled such environments and had nowhere to go. The rise in homelessness is not something that has been assessed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been enormous. Just in the small park near us on the way home with her today, we saw one guy passed out with a horrendous diabetic ulcer on his leg, two other blokes on another bench with cans of special bru, and another guy huddled up in what looked like his duvet under a tree. It's not an area renowned for rough sleepers, so I do wonder how many are covid victims (in the economic sense - the poor sod with the ulcer will lose his leg, if not his life, if he isn't seen soon).

 

[mill]

I dont understand his need to compartmentalise to the nth degree the excess total deaths - in one way or another the vast majority will be Covid19-related.

It's that type of finessing of figures that can be used to 'add context' to the rank performance of the UK Government.

He’s an economist. It’s just trying to breakdown the data.

 

[roydo]

Well of course, but the lockdown has placed both them and their children at home so they can vent their inadequacies on their family.

Not great that.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I saw some stats really on the said exactly this. That covid related deaths didn’t necessarily mean additional deaths.

It’s why I suggested looking at excess deaths over a year (preferably two) as that would remove some of the ‘seasonality’. Compare that to the 10 year average and that will give you an idea of the impact of Covid (IMO).

it’s grim to talk about but that’s how I’d do it.

“Harvesting effect” is the rather indelicate term

Excess mortality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Brisan123]

Can Oompa Loompa's get covid?

koff I am 6ft ,you are the shortarse around here lol
To answer your question probably can. but the company have gone to unheard of expense to keep the plant open and staff safe
Seemingly the 2 products with the biggest upswingin sales in Britain since the lockdown is wine and chocolate

 

[roydo]

“Harvesting effect” is the rather indelicate term

Excess mortality - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There isnt a delicate way of saying many folk are dying a few months or maybe years earlier than they would have anyrate.

 

[Brisan123]

Donald Trump has so far largely been unaffected. I'd like to see immediate testing on people of Orange colour to see if there is any data to suggest that they have heightened immunity.

There wouldn't be a female under 40 in Essex with covid 19 if this were so

 

[Brisan123]

Has anyone found/got a very simplistic article they've found that explains how the daily death figures reported aren't the number of people that actually died that day? Trying to explain it to someone.

He's a red isn't he

 

[roydo]

There wouldn't be a female under 40 in Essex with covid 19 if this were so

Based on my last visit to Liverpool, the same would apply.

 

[LinekersLegs]

This sounds like very very good news and it’s just how quickly they can get it through the clinical trials now ?

It is really good news, especially as there did not seem to be any adverse effects. However it is still early days and a small sample size with probably young, healthy volunteers so more trials will need to prove that both effective and safe for a wider population.

But as I understand it about as good news as you can get from a trial at this stage.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You could be right mate, I had a picture of in the 400s in my mind for some reason.

New infections down to 2600 from 3100 and consistently over 4/5000 for about a month. If that trend continues we can hopefully start looking at TTI by June

Just looking at Italy opening up. They're desperate to get some tourism back for the summer. Really hope it doesn't backfire on them