Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[DanEFC92]

 

[TippEverton]

Thanks.



Great...



Hundreds of people dying forces posters on here to moan religiously day and night and diligently criticise literally everything the government does ? No, not really.

Are you actually serious lad, you've posted in this thread that it's a depressing read, did you think it would be full of sh!ts and giggles and funny memes to amuse you.

This forum has a multitude of threads that serve different purposes, loads of funny stuff to be found even through these difficult times, it's just a bit astounding it seems like you thought you'd find them here.

In response to you quoting me, what's 'great' ?

 

[Brennan]

Are you actually serious lad, you've posted in this thread that it's a depressing read, did you think it would be full of sh!ts and giggles and funny memes to amuse you.

This forum has a multitude of threads that serve different purposes, loads of funny stuff to be found even through these difficult times, it's just a bit astounding it seems like you thought you'd find them here.

In response to you quoting me, what's 'great' ?

Yes of course I did.

 

[davek]

Why is there so much fuss?

We have a general plan/idea of when stuff might open again - but obviously a lot will have to go right for those dates to be met. That is a positive at least.

People have been asking for a 'roadmap' out of this. The same people are now moaning about having one.

People moaning about having to go to work. That's kind of the issue. The government can't afford to keep everyone furloughed in areas that frankly don't need to be furloughing staff - and a lot of companies will have used this as an excuse (wrongly) to do just that. Nobody is advocating people in areas like hospitality etc going back to work - they can't do. They have to be supported. But an estate agent my cousin works for as an admin assistant furloughing her isn't really what this was for. She could still do her work from home, but they decided to furlough and take advantage of the scheme. That shouldn't happen unless it is necessary surely?

Those people may well be able to work from home in which case the EMPLOYER should be allowing them to do so.

There aren't many office jobs which can't be done from home and the majority I'm sure will continue to be worked remotely.

It seems pretty clear to me what the steps are?

Seven weeks of lockdown and now we're in the back half of at least having an idea of how we get out of it. If not, then what do we do?

Also, by my reckoning, most construction (on-site) has been ongoing for the last few weeks. The amount of roadworks done around my place in the last month is staggering - suppose it's been the best time to do it, mind.

Clueless.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[BlueToff]

It’s every man, woman and child for himself in the UK seems to me.

Found that briefing from Johnson deeply chilling. Essentially get back to work if you have to, don’t look at us to protect your health, if you use a bus or tube, you might die but that’s fine because we told you not to, bad luck.

Whats actually beggers belief is they announced 2bil investment around walkways and cycle lanes the day before they told people to get back to work and use public transport. So people can head of to work tomorrow, if you live 20 miles from your place of work and can’t get there but by any other means but public transport, you actually might die.

I thought this government was just incompetent but they are actually dangerous. I’m really worried for the UK, in fact I’m afraid for its citizens a massive second wave looks almost inevitable. Imagine announcing on a Sunday that people can head to work on Monday, without public transport or protocols in place for both Employers and employees - it’s stupid and dangerous.

This “plan” is nothing but to politically be seen to keep up with the Jones’s of other countries and in doing so is putting its people in harms way as acceptable collateral, it’s contemptible.

He talked about the R0 number, how can the modelling be accurate when you only started testing in the community about a week ago, by post and most of those tests couldn’t have been processed yet. How is that a basis for any conceivable plan.

There is no logic, no plan, no road map - if three or four us on here had put our head together on Weds we could have produced a better coherent plan. The UK is probably the last country in Europe to announce a plan, they at least could have cut and paste and nicked a bit of someone else’s or done a hybrid one.

The big finish was the message, we reserve the right to play snakes and ladders with your lives and by the way if we do well it’s down to us, if we do poorly it’s on you - we’re only the government.

Lads stay home, stay safe, take every possible precaution for yourself and family, because it’s becoming apparently obvious it’s every man for himself in the UK and the government has accepted collateral loss here, don’t be a number.

They need to take a step somewhere though.

Most people are still working. It will have no impact on them. A lot of companies can work from home. Beforehand they chose not to but the last seven weeks they have been forced to and will probably continue that as these are organisations that have big H&S and social policies etc (especially construction - i know as I worked in it for five years before going freelance full-time).

Other than that not much is changing from what it is now.

I'm allowed to get out on my bike and go for a walk now. There's still nowhere to go though. Nowhere's open other than food shops/pharmacists.

People in cities can go and make the most of a park. They've been doing this anyway but now it won't be frowned upon - as long as they're sticking to the social distancing advice, which for all my frustration seeing tons of cars parked near beauty spots, people are doing - they do tend to stay 2m away from each other. It's just natural now, it's ingrained.

I agree with you a hell of a lot on here Neiller and fully agree that the advice from the government is wooly.

But it's no less wooly than any other nation when they've come to lifting their lockdowns. It all has to be taken step by step and guided by the data/death figures/infection rate, whatever.

I don't play golf but I'm happy that my mate who does can now go and play a round with his dad on an evening at the local course, which will be using strict measures that were already in place in the week prior to lockdown I believe. I'm happy that an Everton fan I know through twitter can go and go fishing as he's in the same boat as me and has lost a lot of work and isn't getting support. It's little things but that's what has to be the case - small steps.

Three weeks at least until any major lifting of lockdown, and even that would just be small shops and perhaps, perhaps, a limited number of school children going back.

Frankly I think there's been a lot of hysteria over this tonight and while I think the speech and instructions were typically vague in parts, the general point is we now have at least a basic idea of where we're hopefully heading in terms of getting out of this.

Not a clue how that will translate to sport (therefore, my job) but that'll be the next step I guess.

 

[davek]

It’s every man, woman and child for himself in the UK seems to me.

Found that briefing from Johnson deeply chilling. Essentially get back to work if you have to, don’t look at us to protect your health, if you use a bus or tube, you might die but that’s fine because we told you not to, bad luck.

Whats actually beggers belief is they announced 2bil investment around walkways and cycle lanes the day before they told people to get back to work and use public transport. So people can head of to work tomorrow, if you live 20 miles from your place of work and can’t get there but by any other means but public transport, you actually might die.

I thought this government was just incompetent but they are actually dangerous. I’m really worried for the UK, in fact I’m afraid for its citizens a massive second wave looks almost inevitable. Imagine announcing on a Sunday that people can head to work on Monday, without public transport or protocols in place for both Employers and employees - it’s stupid and dangerous.

This “plan” is nothing but to politically be seen to keep up with the Jones’s of other countries and in doing so is putting its people in harms way as acceptable collateral, it’s contemptible.

He talked about the R0 number, how can the modelling be accurate when you only started testing in the community about a week ago, by post and most of those tests couldn’t have been processed yet. How is that a basis for any conceivable plan.

There is no logic, no plan, no road map - if three or four us on here had put our head together on Weds we could have produced a better coherent plan. The UK is probably the last country in Europe to announce a plan, they at least could have cut and paste and nicked a bit of someone else’s or done a hybrid one.

The big finish was the message, we reserve the right to play snakes and ladders with your lives and by the way if we do well it’s down to us, if we do poorly it’s on you - we’re only the government.

Lads stay home, stay safe, take every possible precaution for yourself and family, because it’s becoming apparently obvious it’s every man for himself in the UK and the government has accepted collateral loss here, don’t be a number.

Bingo.

 

[Brennan]

They need to take a step somewhere though.

Most people are still working. It will have no impact on them. A lot of companies can work from home. Beforehand they chose not to but the last seven weeks they have been forced to and will probably continue that as these are organisations that have big H&S and social policies etc (especially construction - i know as I worked in it for five years before going freelance full-time).

Other than that not much is changing from what it is now.

I'm allowed to get out on my bike and go for a walk now. There's still nowhere to go though. Nowhere's open other than food shops/pharmacists.

People in cities can go and make the most of a park. They've been doing this anyway but now it won't be frowned upon - as long as they're sticking to the social distancing advice, which for all my frustration seeing tons of cars parked near beauty spots, people are doing - they do tend to stay 2m away from each other. It's just natural now, it's ingrained.

I agree with you a hell of a lot on here Neiller and fully agree that the advice from the government is wooly.

But it's no less wooly than any other nation when they've come to lifting their lockdowns. It all has to be taken step by step and guided by the data/death figures/infection rate, whatever.

I don't play golf but I'm happy that my mate who does can now go and play a round with his dad on an evening at the local course, which will be using strict measures that were already in place in the week prior to lockdown I believe. I'm happy that an Everton fan I know through twitter can go and go fishing as he's in the same boat as me and has lost a lot of work and isn't getting support. It's little things but that's what has to be the case - small steps.

Three weeks at least until any major lifting of lockdown, and even that would just be small shops and perhaps, perhaps, a limited number of school children going back.

Frankly I think there's been a lot of hysteria over this tonight and while I think the speech and instructions were typically vague in parts, the general point is we now have at least a basic idea of where we're hopefully heading in terms of getting out of this.

Not a clue how that will translate to sport (therefore, my job) but that'll be the next step I guess.

You’re supporting MURDER.

 

[Catfish Blues]

But an estate agent my cousin works for as an admin assistant furloughing her isn't really what this was for.

I take your point on some firms taking the piss a bit, but that's a really poor example, because it's likely to be exactly what the furloughing scheme is there for.

Estate agents aren't selling houses so they have no income, and that's not likely to change for a few months. Under normal circumstances, there's a good chance your cousin would have been laid off and they'd have only considered filling that post again when they were confident their cashflow could support it. As it stands, the govt are taking the risk on the business not recovering.

 

[davek]

You’re supporting MURDER.

...and you're an apologist for it.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Brazil are on a horrific trajectory right now, I know quite a lot of Brazilians (and literally not a single Bolasanaro supporter) and they arevery fearful for the outcome of COVID 19 there

‘You can’t recover from death’: Argentina’s Covid-19 response the opposite of Brazil’s

Argentina closed swiftly, while Brazil downplayed the crisis. The difference is reflected in their pandemic figures

www.theguardian.com

Read this article today. Bolsonaro is a disgrace and is guilty of a huge dereliction of duty. He keeps crying fake news etc in a familiar story. Whole family corrupt.
Sad state of affairs after the progress made under Lula.What’s happening there will amount to a humanitarian catastrophe. Unfortunately this outbreak has coincided with a wave of right wing, sociopath, populist leaders.

 

[john jako]

It’s funny but true.

 

[BlueToff]

Clueless.

Good argument.

We needed an idea of how we get out - now we have that. Doesn't mean it's going to happen - because if the infection rate doesn't drop then we'll have to push things back won't we?

I don't see how the advice has actually changed that much. The new slogan or whatever - yeh, seems dead pointless to me.

But people need to get back to work if it is safe to do so and for certain sectors that may now be the time. Construction workers were back in Spain what, 3-4 weeks ago, for example? And many have already been back based on the amount of construction I've seen going on just riding my bike around the local area in the last few weeks - literally every road in and out of the little suburb I'm in has been resurfaced in the last week alone.

I won't back everything this gov does because I think it's been a shambles overall (like 90% of countries) but I'm not interested in picking apart everything for the sake of it either.

Keir Starmer and the other Labour MPs were right in saying that there are a lot of questions that need answering and hopefully they will press them for an answer tomorrow.

 

[Brennan]

...and you're an apologist for it.

Just call me Goebbels.

 

[ToffeeTim]

They need to take a step somewhere though.

Most people are still working. It will have no impact on them. A lot of companies can work from home. Beforehand they chose not to but the last seven weeks they have been forced to and will probably continue that as these are organisations that have big H&S and social policies etc (especially construction - i know as I worked in it for five years before going freelance full-time).

Other than that not much is changing from what it is now.

I'm allowed to get out on my bike and go for a walk now. There's still nowhere to go though. Nowhere's open other than food shops/pharmacists.

People in cities can go and make the most of a park. They've been doing this anyway but now it won't be frowned upon - as long as they're sticking to the social distancing advice, which for all my frustration seeing tons of cars parked near beauty spots, people are doing - they do tend to stay 2m away from each other. It's just natural now, it's ingrained.

I agree with you a hell of a lot on here Neiller and fully agree that the advice from the government is wooly.

But it's no less wooly than any other nation when they've come to lifting their lockdowns. It all has to be taken step by step and guided by the data/death figures/infection rate, whatever.

I don't play golf but I'm happy that my mate who does can now go and play a round with his dad on an evening at the local course, which will be using strict measures that were already in place in the week prior to lockdown I believe. I'm happy that an Everton fan I know through twitter can go and go fishing as he's in the same boat as me and has lost a lot of work and isn't getting support. It's little things but that's what has to be the case - small steps.

Three weeks at least until any major lifting of lockdown, and even that would just be small shops and perhaps, perhaps, a limited number of school children going back.

Frankly I think there's been a lot of hysteria over this tonight and while I think the speech and instructions were typically vague in parts, the general point is we now have at least a basic idea of where we're hopefully heading in terms of getting out of this.

Not a clue how that will translate to sport (therefore, my job) but that'll be the next step I guess.

The government were telling people who couldn't work at home, to go to work 7 weeks ago. I dont understand why people are shocked at this.

I think we definitely need a plan on how to start making things more normal again because this cant go on forever. But we didnt get anywhere near enough detail tonight. He was deliberately vague and I dont like that. I hope theres actual detail tomorrow.