Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!
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Not yet it isn’t, but considering how novel it is I doubt they’ve been studying it long enough to determine its true mutation capacity.
We’re simply used to flu viruses because we’ve been living with them so long. Even then, the annual flu vaccine just combines a couple of A and B flu strains and is a bit of a pot shot as to whether you create a vaccine they will immunise against the strains that do the rounds that winter.
The worst flus I have ever had have been in the weeks after I’ve had the annual flu jab. Not because the vaccine gave me flu...but because the strains that travelled around where I am and infected me weren’t the ones in that year’s vaccine. It may also be that my immune response to those flu strains that infected me was impaired by my immune system already dealing with a response to the vaccinated strain.
Don't need anything like 6 billion people getting a Covid19 vaccine to return to the society of a few weeks ago.
Society has been more than comfortable with seeing a fair chunk of that 6 billion not getting basic sanitation or fresh water for years, let alone vaccines.
tsubaki
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Thanks for that, very interesting. I wonder if the non-reporting of symptoms is because those people were sat down / relaxing? I only say that because when I was ill (which I still don't know if it was this) the breathlessness was a lot worse whenever you tried to do something - move about the flat, talk for any length of time etc.
Yes absolutely. The research I've seen suggests that transmission is much more likely within 6 feet distance. I was giving your discussion some context as to where the 'rule of thumb' had come from. But, as you say, 2m is much better due to the droplet spread.
I'm sure someone more clinically minded can be more scientific than that.
Would have been very interesting to know what % level a pulse oximeter would have registered for you, both at rest and when you moved about.
Yes, but the consequence of that is largely restricted to those using those facilities, whereas the consequence of leaving people unvaccinated to Covid-19 could impact on more than just those who can be easily ignored.
Chris O'Connor
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While it's possible to single out good individual policies or costly ommisions and errors, comparing death rates across countries makes good easy headlines but is pretty much pointless. There are just too many variables at play, too many known factors with high correlations to death rates differing very widely across compared countries. It's an easy weapon to beat a politician with but really it's just like comparing apples with pears.
For instance possibly the most striking correlation is between population density and deaths
So while Scandinavia has low population densities their death rates are also low in relative terms (except for Sweden) and those of high density you would expect much higher which is largely the pattern.
Its the exceptions rather than the rule where notable successes or failures can be found,...
On the minus side - Sweden, although it's death rate is not comparable to high population density countries, it's massively higher than its low population density neighbours. (Likewise you could also explain why Australia's ridiculously relaxed policies have had such remarkable success, the population density is very low.)
The success stories are notably the ones with relative high population densities but have achieved low death rates despite this
Germany has a population density of 233/km3 and a death rate of 73 per million,
- they have used their incredibly strong economy and industrial base, especially in manufacturing and pharmaceuticals, to swim against the tide, setting up mass testing on a scale unmatched and performing far better than might have been expected,
For comparison other densely populated countries
France 104 people /km3 and 357 deaths/million
Italy 192km3 and 446/m
Spain 92/km3 and 503/m
USA 35 and 172/m
(Sweden 20 and 235)
Comparing absolute deaths is ridiculous too how on earth do you say USA's figures are the worst as Sweden's are clearly worse, USA have the largest number but that's all.
The UK is one of the most densely populated countries, certainly in Europe dwarfing other major large economies having a density of 424/km3 compared to Germany's 233, Italy's 192, France's 104 and Spain's 92 - indeed Spain has a huge inherant advantage over Italy and France on population density but will still possibly have a higher death rate per thousand.
If we further look into extremely populated areas such as London (the most densely populated city in Europe and the largest international hub or New York (accounts for 40% of USA's total) then these skew the figures extremely markedly. Remove New York for instance and USA's figures compare remarkably favourably with most other countries. I haven't given a UK figure (because the care homes arent counted in ours and are in some countries) but we can and probably should be forecast near the top for actual death numbers given our extremely high population density, but probably that still wouldn't compare to Spain's poor figures given their hugely lower density and smaller population.
There are other factors at play too which may explain the relatively bad performance of Italy, France and especially Spain all with a high level of inter generational mixing between say even great grandparents, grandparents, parents right down to babies.
The only country to really do remarkably badly (and its all relative which really backs my point on simple comparison of numbers) is Sweden which has purposely not taken any but the most lenient measures and allowed life to go on largely unaffected. Despite being very sparsely populated per km3 if has still suffered a substantial death rate.
Sweden 20 people/km3 it has still suffered a death rate of 225 people / million
The whole thing of comparing absolute figures is absolutely ludicrous
For instance possibly the most striking correlation is between population density and deaths
So while Scandinavia has low population densities their death rates are also low in relative terms (except for Sweden) and those of high density you would expect much higher which is largely the pattern.
Its the exceptions rather than the rule where notable successes or failures can be found,...
On the minus side - Sweden, although it's death rate is not comparable to high population density countries, it's massively higher than its low population density neighbours. (Likewise you could also explain why Australia's ridiculously relaxed policies have had such remarkable success, the population density is very low.)
The success stories are notably the ones with relative high population densities but have achieved low death rates despite this
Germany has a population density of 233/km3 and a death rate of 73 per million,
- they have used their incredibly strong economy and industrial base, especially in manufacturing and pharmaceuticals, to swim against the tide, setting up mass testing on a scale unmatched and performing far better than might have been expected,
For comparison other densely populated countries
France 104 people /km3 and 357 deaths/million
Italy 192km3 and 446/m
Spain 92/km3 and 503/m
USA 35 and 172/m
(Sweden 20 and 235)
Comparing absolute deaths is ridiculous too how on earth do you say USA's figures are the worst as Sweden's are clearly worse, USA have the largest number but that's all.
The UK is one of the most densely populated countries, certainly in Europe dwarfing other major large economies having a density of 424/km3 compared to Germany's 233, Italy's 192, France's 104 and Spain's 92 - indeed Spain has a huge inherant advantage over Italy and France on population density but will still possibly have a higher death rate per thousand.
If we further look into extremely populated areas such as London (the most densely populated city in Europe and the largest international hub or New York (accounts for 40% of USA's total) then these skew the figures extremely markedly. Remove New York for instance and USA's figures compare remarkably favourably with most other countries. I haven't given a UK figure (because the care homes arent counted in ours and are in some countries) but we can and probably should be forecast near the top for actual death numbers given our extremely high population density, but probably that still wouldn't compare to Spain's poor figures given their hugely lower density and smaller population.
There are other factors at play too which may explain the relatively bad performance of Italy, France and especially Spain all with a high level of inter generational mixing between say even great grandparents, grandparents, parents right down to babies.
The only country to really do remarkably badly (and its all relative which really backs my point on simple comparison of numbers) is Sweden which has purposely not taken any but the most lenient measures and allowed life to go on largely unaffected. Despite being very sparsely populated per km3 if has still suffered a substantial death rate.
Sweden 20 people/km3 it has still suffered a death rate of 225 people / million
The whole thing of comparing absolute figures is absolutely ludicrous
ForeverBlue92
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Sound like me mate - was not bad sat down but run up the stairs / have a talk without pausing or took a deep breathe in and I felt breathless (not serious but like I was unfit).
But as long as a nation can vaccinate and protect it's own citizens then there will be no desire to take responsibility to vaccinate others. Out of sight, out of mind will always prevail.
Just look at the stockpiles of PPE we've not had access to despite SARs, Ebola and years of warnings that a potentially much worse pandemic than Covid-19 was inevitable rather than possible.
ForeverBlue92
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Did you have a fever?
Has that symptom gone?
tsubaki
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Only for the first night of it, only had a coughing fit a couple of times as well but the breathlessness / nausea was there for most of the week.
They made a SARS vaccin
Although related, a SARS vaccine would not be effective against SARS CoV 2, the current virus causing COVID 19. I do recall reading that the underlying science used to develop the SARS vaccine was used in to speed the COVID 19 vaccine along.
Edit: got part of this wrong. The SARS vaccine never finished trials...not because it failed just not developed fast enough.
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