Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[jamieni]

If taking it helps reduce transmission rates I'd be well up for it, you have no idea how many lives might saved however we are getting transmission rates down, whether that's staying inside, being responisible while at the supermarket or getting a vaccine

Absolutely. I assume people are concerned about potential long term effects of a vaccine but hopefully the science has moved on now to the point that these can be anticipated during development.

In the meantime SD it is.

 

[Brennan]

People need to stop thinking it only kills the over 70 or "the weak".

It kills who it wants.

To be fair, 75% of people who die are over the age of 70.

 

[Blues Harp]

To be fair, 75% of people who die are over the age of 70.

great news that mate..only 2 years to go then

 

[Kenshin]

So they are testing a vaccine in Oxford right? According to the BBC site

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Two volunteers were injected, the first of more than 800 people recruited for the study.

Half will receive the Covid-19 vaccine, and half a control vaccine which protects against meningitis but not coronavirus.

The design of the trial means volunteers will not know which vaccine they are getting, though doctors will.

Please someone explain this to me

What on earth are the benefits of using essentially a placebo in a vaccine test? Either you get the virus or your don't surely? What on earth is the benefit of giving people in this trial a different vaccine without telling them?

 

[davmaher]

See Oxford Uni are confident of developing a vaccine which could be in place by September.

Question to everyone. If it was rolled out would you sign up?

Im going to say no. Im not an anti vaxxer at all, but the long term effects of this will be unknown. If I end up in intensive care then its a no brainer but I think thats the only circumstance I would say yes.

If you're in intensive care its a bit late to be taking a vaccine.

 

[Brennan]

So they are testing a vaccine in Oxford right? According to the BBC site



Please someone explain this to me

What on earth are the benefits of using essentially a placebo in a vaccine test? Either you get the virus or your don't surely? What on earth is the benefit of giving people in this trial a different vaccine without telling them?

Guess the doctors running the team are just doing it for a laugh...

The power of the placebo effect - Harvard Health

Under the right circumstances, a placebo effect-in which the brain convinces the body a fake treatment is the real thing-can be as effective as traditional treatments....

www.health.harvard.edu

 

[Brennan]

If you're in intensive care its a bit late to be taking a vaccine.

lol

 

[Kenshin]

Guess the doctors running the team are just doing it for a laugh...

The power of the placebo effect - Harvard Health

Under the right circumstances, a placebo effect-in which the brain convinces the body a fake treatment is the real thing-can be as effective as traditional treatments....

www.health.harvard.edu

Then what's the point in rushing for a vaccine if they want to see if the human mind can treat it?

Mate think about it. Worldwide pandemic but what if we don't need a vaccine at all? Sounds silly doesn't it?

 

[Chris O'Connor]

So they are testing a vaccine in Oxford right? According to the BBC site



Please someone explain this to me

What on earth are the benefits of using essentially a placebo in a vaccine test? Either you get the virus or your don't surely? What on earth is the benefit of giving people in this trial a different vaccine without telling them?

The efficacy of the vaccine can only be tested properly by comparing the results to that obtained anyway without a vaccine.

For example if everyone vaccinated and only two in a thousand go onto catch Covid-19 then you may think although not 100% the vaccine confers far greater immunity than without.

But if half were vaccinated and the other half not, with the same two in a thousand ratio resulting in the half that were vaccinated you may still come to the same conclusion UNTIL a comparion was made with the other half, if they that had received the placebo achieved a result of only one or two in a thousand too then you may conclude the reduction due to some other factors and NOT the vaccine.

For instance tests could take place in an area where the vaccine isn't virulent, or perhaps on the decline past its peak or perhaps hot weather an influence and a variety of other possibles.

The placebo effect gives a true indication by providing a comparison, if the same conditions and environment for both, then the vaccine only passes if it shows far better results than the placebo.

 

[Kenshin]

The efficacy of the vaccine can only be tested properly by comparing the results to that obtained anyway without a vaccine.

For example if everyone vaccinated and only two in a thousand go onto catch Covid-19 then you may think although not 100% the vaccine confers far greater immunity than without.

But if half where vaccinated and the other half not, with the same two in a thousand ratio resulting in the half that were,vaccinated you may still come to the same conclusion, however if the half that had the placebo achieved a result of only one or two in a thousand too then youay conclude the reduction due to some other factors and NOT the vaccine.

For instance tests could take place in an area where the vaccine isn't virulent, or perhaps on the decline past its peak or perhaps hot weather an influence and a variety of other possibles.

The placebo effect gives a true indication by providing a comparison, if the same conditions and environment for both, then the vaccine only passes if it shows far better results than the placebo.

Thank you

That does explain it a little bit to me.

 

[LinekersLegs]

People need to stop thinking it only kills the over 70 or "the weak".

It kills who it wants.

Even if it “just the elderly or the weak” they are people with loved ones who will miss them dearly.

And it quite clearly isn’t just them anyway

Lost on the Frontline - KFF Health News

“Lost on the Frontline” is an ongoing project by Kaiser Health News and The Guardian that aims to document the lives of health care workers in the U.S. who died from COVID 19, and to investigate why so many are victims of the disease.

khn.org

 

[LinekersLegs]

Well I never really said anything like that did I mate, more along the lines of if I personally was 70 with underlying health conditions I’d have a big decision to make.

If it makes you feel any better mate in your situation you are very unlikely to even get a chance at making a decision for quite a while - initial supplies will be very low and allocated to the vulnerable and healthcare workers etc.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[Brennan]

Then what's the point in rushing for a vaccine if they want to see if the human mind can treat it?

Mate think about it. Worldwide pandemic but what if we don't need a vaccine at all? Sounds silly doesn't it?

The Placebo effect can skew the results of trials because some patients could potentially have different results/responses to treatment based on whether or not they think they have received the vaccine.

This kind of practice is standard in drug trials everywhere and has been for decades.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

He's at his Chequers Country Club biding his time and being briefed by his fellow rats what the right time will be to come back to exploit any encouraging news that the worst is passed for now.

I'm not one to naively think politicians won't take advantage where they can, but I can assure you anyone who has been seriously ill with Coronavirus, and that doesn't mean just those who have had to be on ventilators, will need plenty of recuperation time, especially one so obviously fat, out of condition and therefore susceptible to slow recovery as him.

Doctors don't take precautions just on a whim.

The responses in this thread are all too predictable and mostly nonsense - just letting their natural bias rule over any common sense.

(And I don't think he's anything like really weak now but it's still medically sound to not rush back, with politicians they no doubt would for the right moment but they still shouldn't)

This virus shouldn't be treated as if it's nothing, it effects very overweight people disproportionally, they really are susceptible