Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

[Harryflashman]

Yes, there is, but those on free school meals are still getting something at home from the gov. As to the child abuse you’re alluding to that’s gonna happen with or without school and is a completely separate issue.

of course it is but being locked in a home is far from perfect . Abuse Is a broad term covering a huge area and escaping from an unhappy home is a release school can provide .

my main point was the socialisation issue though I do think if this continues long term think this may well impact on lots of children. Again I’m not saying we shouldn’t do it I’m just saying stuff has to be considered and you asked whys he worried about children .

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

One thing I don't get is these people who see the lockdown as some sort of punishment rather than a necessity, so when they go out on a jolly they see it as sticking two fingers up at the establishment. The sooner these bellends realise it's about saving lives and keeping the burden down on the NHS the better it will be for all of us.

 

[Nymzee]

of course it is but being locked in a home is far from perfect . Abuse Is a broad term covering a huge area and escaping from an unhappy home is a release school can provide .

my main point was the socialisation issue though I do think if this continues long term think this may well impact on lots of children. Again I’m not saying we shouldn’t do it I’m just saying stuff has to be considered and you asked whys he worried about children .

I just think there’s a much bigger picture to be looked at than a few weeks with kids in the house.

On the flip side lots of kids hate school or get bullied there so this will benefit them.

 

[Harryflashman]

I think the intention is very clear: don’t overload the NHS.

again I think we’re all going around in circles , absolutely that’s the intention but it doesn’t eradicate the virus . It’s creating breathing space when we have the borders to our country open and lots of people who’ve isolated and haven’t been infected , it does feel like it’ll spike again and of course the nhs might hopefully be more prepared but those who know the stats like this bloke or a raft of medical experts say simple isolation without testing simply doesn’t work . I’m just wondering what we as a country know that every other country seems to think differently.

 

[Harryflashman]

I just think there’s a much bigger picture to be looked at than a few weeks with kids in the house.

I don’t think anybody is arguing with that but you asked why a pandemic/virus expert might have mentioned the welfare of kids so I answered .

 

[Nymzee]

again I think we’re all going around in circles , absolutely that’s the intention but it doesn’t eradicate the virus . It’s creating breathing space when we have the borders to our country open and lots of people who’ve isolated and haven’t been infected , it does feel like it’ll spike again and of course the nhs might hopefully be more prepared but those who know the stats like this bloke or a raft of medical experts say simple isolation without testing simply doesn’t work . I’m just wondering what we as a country know that every other country seems to think differently.

The only thing that eradicates a virus is a vaccine.

Or all vulnerable people die and only the fit & healthy remain. Nazi Germany would be proud of that idea.

 

[Harryflashman]

The only thing that eradicates a virus is a vaccine.

Or all vulnerable people die and only the fit & healthy remain. Nazi Germany would be proud of that idea.

sorry I’m probably not being clear I’m not suggesting that . My suggestion or speculative thoughts , from pre lockdown , has been what everyone else has seemed to seek to do . Isolation and lockdown , then large scale testing . Trace back the virus to source and further larger isolation seeking to remove those who are infected with stronger isolation .

the phrase repeatedly used was you can’t fight a fire if you don’t know where it is . We simply aren’t doing that . We’re sending people home from the hospital untested who we’re telling we think have the virus as we only test those in icu .

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

My understanding is the lockdown is to slow infection rates, protect the vulnerable from contracting the virus and to slow influx of cases to NHS only.
if say the lockdown is ended on April 14th or whenever there is a possibility that after a month there could be a surge of cases again and the lockdown would need to be repeated to ease the aforementioned problems.

Am I right?
I'm hearing so many conflicting theories...

I've read a few experts saying they think this could be government strategy. lift the lockdown, a load more people get the virus ( herd immunity) then put the country back into lockdown, rinse and repeat. Supposedly it's to do with the NHS being able to handle the spike in cases.

 

[Harryflashman]

I've read a few experts saying they think this could be the government strategy. lift the lockdown, a load more people get the virus (the herd mentality) then put the country back into lockdown, rinse and repeat. Supposedly it's to do with the NHS being able to handle the spike in cases.

yeah If I had to guess think that that could well happen .

 

[bullybeef]

I'd hate for anyone to learn from their mistakes.

How do you quantify the impact though goaty?

It’s impossible.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

yeah If I had to guess think that that could well happen .

You would think if they did go down this road then there would still be a lot of criteria that we all would have to adhere too.

 

[Harryflashman]

You would think if they did go down this road then there would still be a lot of criteria that we all would have to adhere too.

I know it came up yesterday but I think witty, I’m paraphrasing , said early on the problem with lockdowns is people start to respect them less as they go on .So you think they’ll maybe relax it then reenforce it to keep it fresh . But yeah I don’t think it’ll be open the boozers and go the match or anything in the time it’s lifted .

 

[Groucho]

Good to hear I hope you and @Groucho are keeping well? It's a tough time, even with things like childcare and that when all the adults in the household are keyworkers and schools etc. are shut.

We’re ticking over but still in work obviously.

Thanks and we hope you and Mrs Wayne are well mate.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I know it came up yesterday but I think witty, I’m paraphrasing , said early on the problem with lockdowns is people start to respect them less as they go on .So you think they’ll maybe relax it then reenforce it to keep it fresh . But yeah I don’t think it’ll be open the boozers and go the match or anything in the time it’s lifted .

I mentioned it above mate. A lot of people are seeing the lockdown as a punishment rather than a necessity so going out on a jolly is seen as putting two fingers up to the establishment. It's the people with this mentality that will see the lockdown come with even further tougher rules.

At the end of the day mate we're all in this together and there is no 'them and us'

 

[BlueToff]

I don’t think you understand what I’m getting at.

If we had say 500 deaths today and 100 of them were avoidable if we had more ventilators or more ICU beds or more nurses then yes we could have been more prepared. But we don’t know what % of daily deaths are avoidable to know. Right now we could be fully prepared for this virus but all the deaths so far were unavoidable.

Maybe we're getting crossed wires.

If your healthcare system is better prepared to handle a large scale outbreak, then while you need to take precautions (lockdown) you can be a bit more balanced about it and not have to dive in head first. The gov's idea was to put off lockdown as long as possible. Well they could and should have done a lot more to ensure the systems were in place to help that happen, surely?