Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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“no politician” is of course doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence - Cummings not being one, so those media reports (including in Tory papers) that alleged he was doing just that don’t count, nor does the clear implication of the “herd immunity” policy if you believe Pete that it was everyone apart from politicians who decided that.

Cummings is just a glorified SPAD though, and has himself no direct power. So it’s those who chose to allow the ‘nudge’ group to direct policy who are directly culpable and this is the ruffled haired Etonian bloke. Pete can deny reality all he wants, the buck stops with Johnson.
 
Genuine question, where do you think it came from?
For my own sanity I'm going to be flippant and suggest space... Because how we manage this is for more important currently. So I'm more concerned for one instance that flights from all over the world still come into the UK, people get off them and go about their businesses, no protective measures nothing...
 
It really will be interesting how things work on the acute side. I sense there is a lot of making things up as we go. The wife just had a text from a former matron on the acute side asking if she's able to come and help. She's a lovely boss apparently, but in normal times, there are various exams a nurse has to do (and redo every few years) in order to work in that kind of environment. Relatively routine tasks like intubating a patient or fitting a canola. She hasn't done these things for about six years, and has none of the exams that she would ordinarily need.

It seems likely that the exam requirement might be waived, but the reality is they're there for a reason to ensure skills are up to date, and hers aren't, so either she'd be the equivalent of a glorified health care assistant, or she'd be doing things that she doesn't really feel safe doing, least of all in a very high pressure environment. You might argue that you cant lose your skills in six years, it'd be like riding a bike etc., but the exams have to be done every two years, which suggests to this layman that they're tricky enough to warrant repeated practice.

It's a case of needs must and all hands to the pump I suppose, but a difficult time for sure. It might pay to remember this though when we're led by the media who just want their usual pound of flesh or getting all agitated about targets. There's a lot going on that they can't be bothered to report on that are quite a bit more important. Hopefully people will remember that and not be silly sods when the weather is nice this weekend.
 
It really will be interesting how things work on the acute side. I sense there is a lot of making things up as we go. The wife just had a text from a former matron on the acute side asking if she's able to come and help. She's a lovely boss apparently, but in normal times, there are various exams a nurse has to do (and redo every few years) in order to work in that kind of environment. Relatively routine tasks like intubating a patient or fitting a canola. She hasn't done these things for about six years, and has none of the exams that she would ordinarily need.

It seems likely that the exam requirement might be waived, but the reality is they're there for a reason to ensure skills are up to date, and hers aren't, so either she'd be the equivalent of a glorified health care assistant, or she'd be doing things that she doesn't really feel safe doing, least of all in a very high pressure environment. You might argue that you cant lose your skills in six years, it'd be like riding a bike etc., but the exams have to be done every two years, which suggests to this layman that they're tricky enough to warrant repeated practice.

It's a case of needs must and all hands to the pump I suppose, but a difficult time for sure.
I think most skilled trades require you to have performed that function in the last 5 years or you don't get re-validated for it. Bit of a rule of thumb, but given the high pressure and seriousness of her line of work could understand the trepidation
 
For my own sanity I'm going to be flippant and suggest space... Because how we manage this is for more important currently. So I'm more concerned for one instance that flights from all over the world still come into the UK, people get off them and go about their businesses, no protective measures nothing...

Ok mate fair enough.
 
It's a case of needs must and all hands to the pump I suppose, but a difficult time for sure. It might pay to remember this though when we're led by the media who just want their usual pound of flesh or getting all agitated about targets. There's a lot going on that they can't be bothered to report on that are quite a bit more important. Hopefully people will remember that and not be silly sods when the weather is nice this weekend.

Is your wife experiencing any problems with PPE? And thanks for the work she's doing.
 
I think most skilled trades require you to have performed that function in the last 5 years or you don't get re-validated for it. Bit of a rule of thumb, but given the high pressure and seriousness of her line of work could understand the trepidation

We'll see how things go I suppose, but the outcome seems to be that she'll do tasks that don't require the certification, or the requirements will be waived and they'll chuck people in with a bit of a refresher. The very fact that she was contacted directly rather than via her current boss has me a bit worried that the acute side is not in a great place in terms of available numbers, so the 2nd option might be forced upon them. Please stay at home folks.
 
It seems the shambolic preparedness for this pandemic was partly due to Public Health England (PHE) expecting the next real pandemic threat to be a new lethal strain of influenza where mass testing wouldn't be an appropriate strategy, as mass testing is seen as not that effective against strains of influenza given the different mode and rate of transmission of the flu virus strains.

Despite SARS, MERS and Ebola proving that that a new strain of influenza would not necessarily be the next pandemic, even if by far the most likely, the PHE never once considered mass testing as an appropriate strategy and have thus been totally unprepared and not set up to react to any crisis where it is.

The PHE were the principal input and central to advice given to the government, so despite warnings from the WHO that mass testing would be needed, there was a total lack of preparedness or logistics where the correct channels of supply to people who could make and supply chemicals were just not there, they were non existent.

This has been the huge failure in their strategy, it is one where the lack of preparedness caused by too much concentration on a new strain of influenza being the enemy, as it was far more likely given they do happen every year, and a reluctance to therefore spend millions of pounds on preparedness for something far less likely to happen has tragically cost lives. It left them in a position where it was almost impossible to react to a different situation and to get 'online' the help needed through existing channels. They were caught out and completely unfit for purpose at the time it was essential they were up to speed. It was possibly a pragmatic decision that has had disastrous consequences.
 
The commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt has been removed after saying the US Navy was not doing enough to halt a coronavirus outbreak on board the aircraft carrier.

In a letter, Capt Brett Crozier had urged his superiors to act to prevent US troops dying outside of wartime.

But acting US Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said the commander "exercised extremely poor judgement".

At least 100 people aboard the vessel have been infected, reports say.O

On Thursday, Mr Modly told reporters that Capt Crozier was being fired for allegedly leaking the letter to the media.

He said the letter "created the impression the Navy was not responding to his questions".

"It creates the perception the Navy is not on the job; the government is not on the job. That's just not true."
 
The commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt has been removed after saying the US Navy was not doing enough to halt a coronavirus outbreak on board the aircraft carrier.

In a letter, Capt Brett Crozier had urged his superiors to act to prevent US troops dying outside of wartime.

But acting US Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said the commander "exercised extremely poor judgement".

At least 100 people aboard the vessel have been infected, reports say.O

On Thursday, Mr Modly told reporters that Capt Crozier was being fired for allegedly leaking the letter to the media.

He said the letter "created the impression the Navy was not responding to his questions".

"It creates the perception the Navy is not on the job; the government is not on the job. That's just not true."

Captain Crozier you say? Dude can’t catch a break.

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