Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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Swayed by his ambivalence to recent emergency rules brought in by the Government to combat Covid-19, I have written to the Red Echo (for all it’s worth) in relation to Merseyside Police’s Ch.Constable, Andy Cooke’s, appearance on tonight’s N.West news, during which he spoke about the approach he and his officers are adopting to the Policing (or otherwise) of it. Looks to me as though he bears all the hallmarks of a company man.

‘As if the Government’s rules regarding the current lock-down aren’t ambiguous enough, Ch. Constable Andy Cooke sought to muddy the waters further by putting his own spin on things during his appearance on tonights’s BBC Northwest news.

In response to a question posed on behalf of a somewhat puzzled viewer, Mr. Cooke was adamant that contrary to popular belief, it was in fact within the spirit of the rule to drive to a location where one could be assured of safe-distancing; the implication being one of open space, perhaps rural or coastal, that was not within the environs of most viewers (i.e. driving over a distance).

I don’t think neither I nor my wife, who was watching with me, were alone in jumping to the same conclusion, as the interviewer also seized upon the opportunity to draw an analogy with the recent robust actions of Derbyshire Police during their intervention with Peak District day trippers.

At this point, his contradiction probably hitting home, Mr. Cooke appeared to back-track on his discretionary approach to proceedings, by asserting that the public should be reasonable in their interpretation of the rules, all the time reassuring viewers (especially the communities of Merseyside) that his approach and that of his Officers was one of education rather than prosecution.

Well that cleared that up!

I’m not sure why Mr. Cooke has chosen to adopt this line of approach - perhaps he has an agenda: perhaps a robust approach would attract confrontation and hence complaints that might be measured by his masters, with inevitable repercussions? I wouldn’t know - but I’m not quite sure that even he has the authority not to enforce these measures, as I and many others, having read was has been written frequently on line, would implore him to do.

Now, I’m all for discretion where appropriate and a milder educational approach when we have time on our hands, but in the current climate, frankly we don’t . You don’t need to be a an individual with a scientific background to realise how quickly this virus is spreading and the very real threat it poses to life. Therefore we all need to act within the spirit of the law and be assured that the authorities are doing their bit to support us by applying it firmly.

You may wonder why I appear to be so sensitive about this issue, but perhaps when you realise that our daughter is a from-line NHS health care professional based at Aintree Hospital, who is so intent on maintaining her guidelines that she couldn’t even visit on her mother’s birthday - we ourselves have been in lockdown for well over week; my wife only leaving home to perform her role as a key worker with responsibility for the welfare of five residents.

Now contrast this with a neighbour who is a painter and decorator and general odd job man, who is of financial means. He is not a key worker and neither is he financially challenged in the current climate. However, with the advent of the lock-down rules, he was cavalier in his attitude towards the whole Covid-19 issue, quite boldly telling my wife that he had no intentions of refraining from work, however long the requisite period might be, and to date he has been true to his word, even going off at weekends in his commercial vehicle.

Now it is not my intention to drop this rule-flouter in the mire for his reprehensible and selfish actions, but you can see why I might just get rather annoyed when those in authority like Mr. Cooke seem to mitigate, even endorse this ill-behaviour by their own dereliction of duty.

In my humble opinion this is not a matter of choice, Mr. Cooke. The authorities have empowered you to act, and for all our sakes, act you must. There’s a time and place for Policing by consent, Mr.Cooke, and now is certainly not the time when dealing with those who care not-a-jot about the harm they may cause to all our communities and loved ones.

Here is the only message I want Mr. Cooke and his ilk to convey in current climes: ‘Stay at Home and wash your hands frequently’.

It’s simple and unambiguous.
 
Yeh it’s just one of those things really. Ideally we want a big meat wall of immune people between every vulnerable person but at this point even with testing it’s just too late for me. People are everywhere, mingling, touching the same things etc. Isolating vulnerable completely for 12 weeks was the best thing.

Like today, went to my ASDA, queued up, one in one out etc. no cash payments and all that jazz. On my way out I realised the little green baskets or trolleys we all use weren’t being wiped so everyone is just touching the same thing. We’re just keeping our head above the water at this point in protecting people.

Well people need to be wearing gloves and stuff mate. They are being advised and it's common sense. If you're going, wear a pair of gloves. I totally understand your point but short of the military feeding everyone house-by-house every month then we can't do much else as it stands. Even in Italy the supermarkets are open, but they all wear gloves.

It's all too late. Totally agree. Got to just try and get through these two weeks and hope our deaths/cases rate flatten out by then, and then we can maybe start to see some light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not talking about lockdown been lifted any time soon, but if we know we can sustain a steady decline of cases, then that'll be a start.
 
It's surely a bit of both. And both are vitally important. If you have a large percentage of the population with some immunity then you can instead focus efforts and resources into protecting those who are the most vulnerable.

Like I've said, the world can't keep stopping if another wave hits in 3-4 months - that will kill more people in the long run (worldwide) than this virus will. Far more.

That's not to say we shouldn't be doing everything we can now - we should be. But, I think you used this term the other day, it's not just that 'life is more complicated' for people. It's people's livelihoods completely wiped out (I'm not talking about me here - there's people with families who now get nothing at all), and the governments worldwide will be in even more debt. That's not good for anyone either. People will lose homes, businesses, everything they have and any form of rebuilding it too because the economy just won't be there.

People can say 'well health is the most important thing' but it's all the same. People aren't going to get health benefits from an economic crash. And that means less funding for health services etc.

That's just me saying it how I see it ^



Mate, we get it, and we all want to get back to our normal lives, but let them get on the downward slope of the curve and figure something out ffs
 
The flu is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people worldwide each year, including about 17,000 in Britain.

From that: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...and-how-long-will-the-outbreak-last-tlpnwxg89

So we're basically looking at a really bad flu year. Potentially doubling your average death rate here. Hopefully we don't get that far and can slow it down.

I'm using flu as it is relevant here. It's the most comparable illness with how it is spread and who it impacts the most.

There does have to be perspective. 2,000+ deaths is horrid and the sharp rise is horrid and it is scary times. But in a really bad flu year this could happen and people would be none the wiser and I do think that's a worthy point. Again, that's not to say we shouldn't all be doing what we're now doing and that this isn't really serious or scary, because it is.
Over the last 10 years in US highest flu deaths were estimated to be 61,000 in 17/18 and usually much less.

Current US estimate is 100-200k from coronavirus “best case scenario” so if that is correct it will be much worse than a bad flu year.
 
Well people need to be wearing gloves and stuff mate. They are being advised and it's common sense. If you're going, wear a pair of gloves. I totally understand your point but short of the military feeding everyone house-by-house every month then we can't do much else as it stands. Even in Italy the supermarkets are open, but they all wear gloves.

It's all too late. Totally agree. Got to just try and get through these two weeks and hope our deaths/cases rate flatten out by then, and then we can maybe start to see some light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not talking about lockdown been lifted any time soon, but if we know we can sustain a steady decline of cases, then that'll be a start.

Yeh of course gloves I was more reiterating the ‘too late’ point because people can think they have all bases covered but something still slips through the cracks. At work they tried to move us all 2m apart in the office, open the toilet door with elbows, banned hand dryers etc. I then had to point out the hand scanner every employee uses to clock in and out all day. This thing will get to nearly all of us eventually.
 
Mate, we get it, and we all want to get back to our normal lives, but let them get on the downward slope of the curve and figure something out ffs

I've totally accepted that mate. I'm not exactly screaming at the CMOs telling them they've effed it all up?

Just talking on here. I can live for the next few months without my 'freedom' to go for a coffee or the gym if it means saving thousands of lives.

It's got nothing to do with wanting 'normal' back. There just is going to come a cut off point at some stage in the future where every government is going to have to decide what to do.
 
Yeh of course gloves I was more reiterating the ‘too late’ point because people can think they have all bases covered but something still slips through the cracks. At work they tried to move us all 2m apart in the office, open the toilet door with elbows, banned hand dryers etc. I then had to point out the hand scanner every employee uses to clock in and out all day. This thing will get to nearly all of us eventually.

Yep totally see where you're coming from. Best laid plans of mice and men and all that. You can sort out everything and like you said one thing will always slip through.
 
Over the last 10 years in US highest flu deaths were estimated to be 61,000 in 17/18 and usually much less.

Current US estimate is 100-200k from coronavirus “best case scenario” so if that is correct it will be much worse than a bad flu year.

Sorry, I was talking about the UK here as the best case scenario.

For example if the UK manages to limit it to 10,000 deaths - then it'd be like being hit with the same amount as in a really bad flu year. Terrible I know - I'm not taking away from that.

But obviously if it continues on this course - like estimated in the US - it's going to be doubling those numbers which is even more terrible.
 
Sorry, I was talking about the UK here as the best case scenario.

For example if the UK manages to limit it to 10,000 deaths - then it'd be like being hit with the same amount as in a really bad flu year. Terrible I know - I'm not taking away from that.

But obviously if it continues on this course - like estimated in the US - it's going to be doubling those numbers which is even more terrible.

Deaths may be equivalent to a really bad flu year up to this point, but now we are exiting flu season and this is still going to keep taking and is only taking a smaller amount than it could because we are in lockdown.

This can't be compared.
 
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