Current Affairs Coronavirus Thread - Serious stuff !!!

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I'd question the logic if your maths, you are working under the assumption that an 80 year old with chronic underlying illness is only twice as likely to die in any given year than an 80 year old without underlying conditions, I'd say they would be alot more likely to die.

Try reading what I typed, and remember it was in response to what you typed.

I didn't say an 80 year old with underlying conditions was twice as likely to die. I said roughly 50% of 80 year old will have an underlying condition. You said 60% of people with underlying conditiins would die within six months.

I then demonstrated that, of people in the age range 80 to 84, if half of them have an underlying condition, then according to your 60% estimate, you'd expect 30% of them to die in a six month period

I then demonstrated that your expected mortality rate for that demographic, would lead to roughly the same number of deaths in that age range as there is in the whole population over a whole year. If you can't see how ridiculous that is, then there's no hope for you.

It's OK to admit that what you read was probably wrong, or even you saw a headline and misintepreted it, we all mistakes ( what I've typed could be utter bollocks, but I don't think it is ). If, rather than accept a reasoned argument, and end up admitting you were likely wrong, then you're very well suited to the internet !

Seriously though, dig out the article you read and link us up, it'll be in your search history so shouldn't be hard to find.
 
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He beats the Toby Young acolytes regurgitating eugenicist mantra in the last couple of pages, although such thoughts and statistics should be in politico thread, of course only when it suits agenda!

Young is at it again.

Has the government overreacted to the Coronavirus Crisis?

"Like a growing number of people, I’m beginning to suspect the Government has overreacted to the coronavirus crisis. I’m not talking about the cost to our liberty, although that’s worrying, but the economic cost. Even if we accept the statistical modelling of Dr Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College, which I’ll come to in a minute, spending £350 billion to prolong the lives of a few hundred thousand mostly elderly people is an irresponsible use of taxpayers’ money. That may sound cold-hearted, but this isn’t a straightforward trade-off between public health and economic health. People are killed by economic downturns just as surely as they are by pandemics and more years of life will be lost than saved if the lockdown is prolonged. The Government should end it as soon as possible and encourage people to return to work, limiting social distancing measures to the elderly and those with underlying health conditions".
 
Some people are being tested more than once mate, there were some stats on it the other day, and it was quite a high proportion. I forget exactly what the numbers were, but it was something like 9000 tests carried out on 7000 people. It didn't explain exactly why, but I'd guess that when the test was being taken, something went wrong. Until the number of available tests is noticeably more than what's needed in hospital, then the number of tests carried out on NHS staff will be limited

There are about half a million clinicians ( doctors, nurses , midwifes etc ) working in the NHS. Even if only 10% of them are off-sick or self isolating, you'd need 50,000 tests to check them all. Even if there were 3000 available test slots a day, it'd take more than two weeks to test that backlog, by which time most of them would be out of isolation anyway, hence the prioritising.




That's exactly what they're doing.
I don't understand why the testing centres are empty then. And the people at home are still complaining about not getting tested

I accept your point that there's so many off sick that you can't possibly test them all. But you'd expect the test centres to be jam packed.

That's what I don't understand and why I made that post. Do you know
 
This has been mentioned a few times - but it seems that up until today the government had a limit of max 15% of tests to go to NHS workers.



Clearly the fundamental issue is the number of tests they can administer in a day. It needs to be way, way higher.

The logistics of it need to be sorted as well - I'm not sure the idea of getting potential carriers to shoot around in Taxis all day is probably the wisest.

You can't put them on. buses either as they risk infecting other N HS staff. The better of 2 evils I thought.

There is. no easy answer to any of this mate
 
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Can we make a new thread comparing dictatorial regimes please? People were asked to make a new thread when they were posting about politics that was directly linked to the virus

I've recently made far fewer visits to this thread as I've found it's just turned into a vehicle for the usual political activists to pedal their own agenda yet again and again and again.

Some of them seemingly posting every minute.

Depressing.
 
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