magicjuan
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magicjuan
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There are more than one version of truth for any particular event, but the system we live under provides us with a version and pushes that into the popular psyche as the 'accepted truth', that is open to counter interpretation.
There are unequivocal truths, the sin rose, the sun set etc, these are unarguable.
Then we have humanity and its truths, the ones MLK spoke of as 'self evident', which are the ones we turned our back on.
We've allowed the truth to not matter anymore. It isn't the factual nature it's the search for truth we've ditched.
It's always been a great tactic and always will be.
I don't believe David Icke actually came out and said: "I am Jesus". However, my point was that his detractors believe he did say it, so he did say it... even if he didn't. That is part of their 'truth' about the Man, and it's a part of their truth they will always use to slap him down with. Which was part of the point I was making about not needing to 'kill him off' because he's not really taken seriously enough to be a threat in the first place. But good on him, he's made the best out of a bad situation and done well for himself with it.
May I ask, did you used to post on the David Icke forum years back?
He doesn't say it directly - but he certainly toys with the idea.
For the record, despite the fact I think the guy is bit of a loon, this interview has never sat well with me.
It's clear he was going through some sort of struggle mentally at the time, and the whole thing feels very exploitative.
magicjuan
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I used to visit it, couldn't say with any degree of certainty that I posted. Many, many (hollow) moons ago. I thought I was open minded but jeebus there were some spanners on there
If people actually read his stuff, I read his early stuff, there is a coherence to his theory, even the lizard stuff. But people like to be in the cool gang and skit the uncool kid.
Haven't followed his stuff for 20 years now, but a lot of his theories can be argued as accurate, the rise of fascism for one. But he's right in the same way Nostradamus was, through interpretation.
Yes, and he didn't actually try and deny it either really. I suppose he could have said something like "Just to be clear, I'm not saying that I am actually Jesus. What I'm saying is... ".
Although David Icke gets mocked a lot still about that interview, I don't feel it was one of Terry Wogans' finer moments, and he could have handled it differently instead of going for the cheap laughs, so to speak. As you said, it was clear that Icke appeared to be going through a mental struggle of sorts.
I used to visit it, couldn't say with any degree of certainty that I posted. Many, many (hollow) moons ago. I thought I was open minded but jeebus there were some spanners on there
If people actually read his stuff, I read his early stuff, there is a coherence to his theory, even the lizard stuff. But people like to be in the cool gang and skit the uncool kid.
Haven't followed his stuff for 20 years now, but a lot of his theories can be argued as accurate, the rise of fascism for one. But he's right in the same way Nostradamus was, through interpretation.
I joined the David Icke forum a good 15 years or so ago. Didn't really post much but still managed to get myself banned; but not before I was accused of being a Government Troll trying to undermine the opinions of David Icke followers. I told them that if I was offered a cosy Government job getting paid to sit on my rear-end and read through the crap that some of them post, I would take it in a heartbeat
To be fair though, I recall there being a few decent posters on the forum too.A mate of mine was really into all the David Icke conspiracy theory stuff; he'd loan me books and send me links to various articles etc., and I found a lot of the theories were put across in a way that would have you thinking "yeah, I can see how that fits." type of thing.
Agreed. But that wasn't my point. I was talking about the truth in the spirit of the thread.
Blueclouds
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Worse one I've heard is the real paul McCartney died in the 60s.
magicjuan
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And so was I. If you look.
This is where I say I'm not aware of any conspiracy theories regarding the rising and setting of the sun, and you provide several, isn't it?
In regards to your last sentence, I'm not sure we've allowed it to not matter. I think instead we've become saturated with information. Thanks to the internet, we can find peoples opinions on pretty much anything. I know the papers have less influence than most people imagine, but it's hard to deny that they don't all have an agenda that can bias their reporting, even the BBC. Often that is unintentional I'd say, but it is there.
In regards to your first sentence regarding accepted truths, look no further than Jeremy Corbyn. I reckon that, more than anything else, is what finally sunk him. As far as the establishment (in this instance) are concerned, mission accomplished.
magicjuan
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In regards to your first point, don't know what you're getting at?
Secondly, in regards to my last sentence, I suggest you re-read it as you seem to have lost the intent.
Thirdly on my first sentence you seem to have some grasp, but the approach towards Corbyn was a part of a much bigger agenda.
Namaste.
My first point was just an attempt to put some humour into our discussion, I apologise.
As for the rest, I think you've raised some great points, and I was just attempting to have a discussion about them.
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https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/ 58 Comments Posted in SARS The COVID illusion and the currency reset
The reset: not all at once; step by step
by Jon Rappoport
April 6, 2020
(To join our email list, click here.)
When this highly destructive farce is over, there are several ways things could go. In this article, I describe one path.
The World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Bank (WB) are joined at the hip. In 2018, they double-knotted their ties by forming a partnership to monitor outbreaks and epidemics before they spread.
Basically, behind the scenes, the deal looks like this: WHO creates the illusion of global epidemics; WB steps in later, to pick up the pieces of the result—injured national economies— by shelling out loans to governments.
These loans always carry conditions. The prime condition is: let in private, roaming, foreign, predatory, private investors so they can take over vital sectors of a nation: energy, agriculture, water, etc.
But this time, WHO, as planned, has gone ballistic. The lockdowns are shredding economies. It’s not going to be “here’s a loan.”
It’s more on the order of: we have to bail out everybody.
How is that done?
Step by step, through switching over one kind of illusory money for another kind of illusory money.
“We invented one kind of money out of thin air, and it reached the end of the line. Now we have to invent another kind of all new money out of thin air.”
Universal guaranteed income (UGI). Eventually, for everyone.
It, too, comes with conditions, gradually implemented. Basically, the deal is: “we pay you, and you obey us.”
The behavioral side of the model is the Chinese regime, which works obedience through a “social credit score.”
Infractions lower the score. In which case, the violator can’t travel on a plane or send his kids to certain schools or stay in certain hotels or start a business. There are levels of punishments.
Infractions include walking a dog off a leash, spreading fake news, crossing against a red light, failure to separate garbage properly, business fraud—little and big offenses.
Under a global UGI, it would be: “Here’s your monthly digital check, now follow orders, or your money might be reduced. Be a good citizen.”
Of course, a system like this requires complete and utter surveillance, public and private, every which way.
The holy grail is energy quotas for every person. “Mr. Smith, this is your wall talking through the glorious Internet of Things. Your energy number for the month is reaching its limit. I want to help you avoid that limit and the social credit score penalties that would be enforced. I’m going to initiate brown-outs and dimming in your home for the next two weeks. Your Internet will be shut down—excepting the hours of midnight to three in the morning. Cook all your meals for the day between four and five am…”
Behavior control. What’s going on now is a tune-up for the future. Now they say: stay indoors, don’t let in visitors. Stand in line outside stores, keeping a distance of six feet. Report people who appear sick. Get tested. Wash your hands a dozen times a day. In the future, the list of rules and regs will be different, but the overall theme will be the same: be a good citizen and contribute to a better world. Be sincere and earnest and helpful. Don’t rebel.
And just like now, many, many people will respond: “Yes, thank you. I like the straight and narrow. I like the feeling of contributing to something larger than myself. I like the collective. I like the fact that we’re all in this together.”
A sub-population of these people will want to do more. They’ll want to join the government. They’ll want to help the government enforce the rules. They’ll want to “express their energy.” They would, if asked, gladly march in columns down streets, salute, hand out summons, make arrests, and even commit violent acts under orders.
They would wear crisp uniforms, and take oaths. They would want ranks and seals. They would like to be called ELITE.
Because history means nothing to such people, they’ll never know names like SS, Red Guards, or Stasi. But that’s what they’ll be.
Unless the whole plan for a technocratic Brave New World is exposed and falls apart, because enough people remember another name and know what it means:
FREEDOM.
When this fake pandemic crisis is declared “done,” several themes will emerge. They will be promoted in various ways, employing many messages. I’m talking about official government and media propaganda.
First of all, the “pandemic” will be described as major turning point in human history. A great shock to the system. All sorts of professional shills and bullshitters will talk about BP and AP. BEFORE THE PANDEMIC and AFTER THE PANDEMIC.
We will be told, “We can’t go back to the way it was before.”
The first great propaganda theme will be: HELP US BUILD A BETTER WORLD. This message is for the sincere people who want to pitch in and do good, in a collective sense. “Let’s build a better world where we can avoid these pandemics, or see them earlier. Let’s form a civilization where equality and justice for all is the top priority. Let’s all share and care…” If you’re looking for logic, forget it. In whatever way they can, the propagandists will imply that somehow the pandemic was a signal that we must “do better.” We must “get through it together” as we did during the crisis. The love we showed then must be the love we show now. An appeal to idealists everywhere who fall for vague generalities like cats fall for catnip.
The second great theme, aimed at the educated class and the technical types and the scientists and “thinkers,” will be: ORGANIZATION. “We must organize world civilization more effectively.” Because somehow, that was the problem Before the Pandemic. Lack of organization allowed things to get out of hand. We can’t any longer be separate groups and nations going their separate ways. Too much disorder. We need better structures in every phase of life. We need more interconnection and coordination. The educated class loves this stuff. It fits their image of success. If society operates like a machine, problems will be solved.
The third great propaganda theme is aimed at all sorts of people who emerged from their lockdown and self-isolation, took a walk in a park on a spring day, and suddenly remembered what they had been missing. Their relief nearly reaches a point of hysteria, as at the end of a World War. The theme is: NEVER AGAIN. “We don’t want to go back to those dark days under any circumstances, and whatever it takes, we’re on board. Tell us what to do.”
With these themes in hand, the technocracy can be enacted. We’re all for building a better world. We must organize it with t’s crossed and i’s dotted. And we must never go back into the dark.
Unless people remember what is left out. THE INDIVIDUAL. And FREEDOM.
Technocratic operators are counting on us to forget. They’re counting on many people who value freedom to say, “Well, it’s all hopeless. I know what freedom is, but too many others don’t. So why bother. I’ll just surrender and float on the tide.”
Floating is an illusion. The tide moves in a planned direction. Toward a shore that isn’t pretty.
Are things pretty now?
That’s called a clue.
Don't say you haven't been warned folks...
The reset: not all at once; step by step
by Jon Rappoport
April 6, 2020
(To join our email list, click here.)
When this highly destructive farce is over, there are several ways things could go. In this article, I describe one path.
The World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Bank (WB) are joined at the hip. In 2018, they double-knotted their ties by forming a partnership to monitor outbreaks and epidemics before they spread.
Basically, behind the scenes, the deal looks like this: WHO creates the illusion of global epidemics; WB steps in later, to pick up the pieces of the result—injured national economies— by shelling out loans to governments.
These loans always carry conditions. The prime condition is: let in private, roaming, foreign, predatory, private investors so they can take over vital sectors of a nation: energy, agriculture, water, etc.
But this time, WHO, as planned, has gone ballistic. The lockdowns are shredding economies. It’s not going to be “here’s a loan.”
It’s more on the order of: we have to bail out everybody.
How is that done?
Step by step, through switching over one kind of illusory money for another kind of illusory money.
“We invented one kind of money out of thin air, and it reached the end of the line. Now we have to invent another kind of all new money out of thin air.”
Universal guaranteed income (UGI). Eventually, for everyone.
It, too, comes with conditions, gradually implemented. Basically, the deal is: “we pay you, and you obey us.”
The behavioral side of the model is the Chinese regime, which works obedience through a “social credit score.”
Infractions lower the score. In which case, the violator can’t travel on a plane or send his kids to certain schools or stay in certain hotels or start a business. There are levels of punishments.
Infractions include walking a dog off a leash, spreading fake news, crossing against a red light, failure to separate garbage properly, business fraud—little and big offenses.
Under a global UGI, it would be: “Here’s your monthly digital check, now follow orders, or your money might be reduced. Be a good citizen.”
Of course, a system like this requires complete and utter surveillance, public and private, every which way.
The holy grail is energy quotas for every person. “Mr. Smith, this is your wall talking through the glorious Internet of Things. Your energy number for the month is reaching its limit. I want to help you avoid that limit and the social credit score penalties that would be enforced. I’m going to initiate brown-outs and dimming in your home for the next two weeks. Your Internet will be shut down—excepting the hours of midnight to three in the morning. Cook all your meals for the day between four and five am…”
Behavior control. What’s going on now is a tune-up for the future. Now they say: stay indoors, don’t let in visitors. Stand in line outside stores, keeping a distance of six feet. Report people who appear sick. Get tested. Wash your hands a dozen times a day. In the future, the list of rules and regs will be different, but the overall theme will be the same: be a good citizen and contribute to a better world. Be sincere and earnest and helpful. Don’t rebel.
And just like now, many, many people will respond: “Yes, thank you. I like the straight and narrow. I like the feeling of contributing to something larger than myself. I like the collective. I like the fact that we’re all in this together.”
A sub-population of these people will want to do more. They’ll want to join the government. They’ll want to help the government enforce the rules. They’ll want to “express their energy.” They would, if asked, gladly march in columns down streets, salute, hand out summons, make arrests, and even commit violent acts under orders.
They would wear crisp uniforms, and take oaths. They would want ranks and seals. They would like to be called ELITE.
Because history means nothing to such people, they’ll never know names like SS, Red Guards, or Stasi. But that’s what they’ll be.
Unless the whole plan for a technocratic Brave New World is exposed and falls apart, because enough people remember another name and know what it means:
FREEDOM.
When this fake pandemic crisis is declared “done,” several themes will emerge. They will be promoted in various ways, employing many messages. I’m talking about official government and media propaganda.
First of all, the “pandemic” will be described as major turning point in human history. A great shock to the system. All sorts of professional shills and bullshitters will talk about BP and AP. BEFORE THE PANDEMIC and AFTER THE PANDEMIC.
We will be told, “We can’t go back to the way it was before.”
The first great propaganda theme will be: HELP US BUILD A BETTER WORLD. This message is for the sincere people who want to pitch in and do good, in a collective sense. “Let’s build a better world where we can avoid these pandemics, or see them earlier. Let’s form a civilization where equality and justice for all is the top priority. Let’s all share and care…” If you’re looking for logic, forget it. In whatever way they can, the propagandists will imply that somehow the pandemic was a signal that we must “do better.” We must “get through it together” as we did during the crisis. The love we showed then must be the love we show now. An appeal to idealists everywhere who fall for vague generalities like cats fall for catnip.
The second great theme, aimed at the educated class and the technical types and the scientists and “thinkers,” will be: ORGANIZATION. “We must organize world civilization more effectively.” Because somehow, that was the problem Before the Pandemic. Lack of organization allowed things to get out of hand. We can’t any longer be separate groups and nations going their separate ways. Too much disorder. We need better structures in every phase of life. We need more interconnection and coordination. The educated class loves this stuff. It fits their image of success. If society operates like a machine, problems will be solved.
The third great propaganda theme is aimed at all sorts of people who emerged from their lockdown and self-isolation, took a walk in a park on a spring day, and suddenly remembered what they had been missing. Their relief nearly reaches a point of hysteria, as at the end of a World War. The theme is: NEVER AGAIN. “We don’t want to go back to those dark days under any circumstances, and whatever it takes, we’re on board. Tell us what to do.”
With these themes in hand, the technocracy can be enacted. We’re all for building a better world. We must organize it with t’s crossed and i’s dotted. And we must never go back into the dark.
Unless people remember what is left out. THE INDIVIDUAL. And FREEDOM.
Technocratic operators are counting on us to forget. They’re counting on many people who value freedom to say, “Well, it’s all hopeless. I know what freedom is, but too many others don’t. So why bother. I’ll just surrender and float on the tide.”
Floating is an illusion. The tide moves in a planned direction. Toward a shore that isn’t pretty.
Are things pretty now?
That’s called a clue.
Don't say you haven't been warned folks...
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