CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Stend]

How come people rarely suggest the managers who won a League Cup as a replacement?

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Your inability to grasp the significance of the concept of net spend is baffling.

Team A: They are an 8/10 squad. They sell a single player for 50m and buy a replacement for 50m.

Team B: They are an 8/10 squad. They sell nobody and buy a new player for 50m.

Let's assume both new players are worth the 50m. By your logic team A and B are still the same rating as they "spent the same amount of money." It's an indefensible position. Nevertheless, even if we accept that logic, Everton are 17th in net spend over the last 5 years. We're 13th by gross spend. Do Everton finish above or below 13th most years? Even the argument you want to make doesn't really hold up.

I'm trying to prove hes spent money. More than this £2.5m per season figure that gets banged round which is NET. How many times do I have to repeat that NET spend means nothing if your selling players for big money! It means nothing! His average spend over 9 years by stats thrown on her is £14.5m per season. Doesnt look so bad now. I have never once said hes had more than his piers but hes had enough to push on. I'd be all for this great manager shout if he'd won something with lesser funds but he hasnt.

Also, most clubs sell their best players at some point. And have to replace them. Not just us! Examples:

Spurs - Modric, Van Der Vaart
Arsenal - Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri
Liverpool - Alonso, Macherano, Torres

All sold on whilst still being clubs best players.

You cant seem to grasp that a net spent is f all if your recieving big transfer fees.

 

[Timak]

I'm trying to prove hes spent money. More than this £2.5m per season figure that gets banged round which is NET. How many times do I have to repeat that NET spend means nothing if your selling players for big money! It means nothing! His average spend over 9 years by stats thrown on her is £14.5m per season. Doesnt look so bad now. I have never once said hes had more than his piers but hes had enough to push on. I'd be all for this great manager shout if he'd won something with lesser funds but he hasnt.

Also, most clubs sell their best players at some point. And have to replace them. Not just us! Examples:

Spurs - Modric, Van Der Vaart
Arsenal - Van Persie, Fabregas, Nasri
Liverpool - Alonso, Macherano, Torres

All sold on whilst still being clubs best players.

You cant seem to grasp that a net spent is f all if your recieving big transfer fees.

What are you going on about? That makes no sense.

In 10 years in charge he has spend a total of £131m. So yes that works out at £13m of transfers in per season on average.

This average of £13m in on transfers each season is beaten by:
Chelsea - £70m average
Man City - 60m average
Liverpool - £40m average
Manchester United - £35m average
Tottenham - £37m average
Arsenal - £25m average
Sunderland - £18m average
Newcastle - £18.5m average

So however you dress it up when compared to the clubs he is competing against it is a pittance.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Doesn't sign a new contract. Sees out the season by stringing us along. Exits Everton by mutual constent in May, Kenwright doing a teary-eyed interview on SSN, waxing lyrical about how Moyes is an Everton great.

Does tv punditry for a bit, whilst waiting for a 'top job' to become available.

 

[toffeejack]

benitez will be a free agent in the summer

 

[cardinal18]

benitez will be a free agent in the summer

you just pointing that out or do you think he'd be a good candidate for the job if moyes were to leave?

 

[Stend]

What are you going on about? That makes no sense.

In 10 years in charge he has spend a total of £131m. So yes that works out at £13m of transfers in per season on average.

This average of £13m in on transfers each season is beaten by:
Chelsea - £70m average
Man City - 60m average
Liverpool - £40m average
Manchester United - £35m average
Tottenham - £37m average
Arsenal - £25m average
Sunderland - £18m average
Newcastle - £18.5m average

So however you dress it up when compared to the clubs he is competing against it is a pittance.

Against his piers, yes! My point is the illusion some fans have of him never having spent any money. Hes spent enough. Going on that hes only just punching above his financial weight with his average finish being 7th?

I think hes done a good job with what hes had available but he's by no means set the world a light. One cup final and a fourth placed finish is not a massive achievement on your CV.

Money talks but having a bit of it (which hes had) along with good youth (which hes sort of had) and abit of luck and managerial nouse should have brought more success than it has.

I've always backed him from the start. But I dont see him taking the next step, hes ran out of ideas and at this club you've got to accept you wont have a pit of money to spend unless you buy/bring through an asset and sell for profit. Hes stuck for thoughts and I dont think he can take it any further with the restraints.

I dont know who can but we've been stale and stagnated for 5 years now and the whole place stinks.

 

[electricblue]

yes liverpool are part of the percieved big 4 that has dominated the league for most of moyes' reign. Yet they're **** now and he still struggles to get a team to perform against them. He's only won at WHL when they were a mid-table/bottom half club. Now they're a force, he isn't winning there either

They were battling with us for 5th/6th places during the Jol/Ramos period but that doesn't count does it not ? Seems you expect us to win away from against the teams above us in the league which is a tall order to say the least. Or a selective use of stats for a spot of Moyes-bashing more likely. His record away from home against the teams around us in the top 7 of the last few seasons isn't great unsurprisingly. But as I said above, use the overall record against all the other 6 to give an objective answer rather than pick his record against the ones he hasn't won away against to put the boot in.

Doesn't it make it worse that Liverpool are no longer 'the big four' yet he's till has an awful record there?

Swansea have won at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge and Anfield in this season alone.

Yes it does mate. There was no excuse for our performance there last season especially. The point I was making was about selectively using stats to make a subjective point without seeing the bigger picture.

 

[Timak]

Against his piers, yes! My point is the illusion some fans have of him never having spent any money. Hes spent enough. Going on that hes only just punching above his financial weight with his average finish being 7th?
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But we compete against our peers.

You can't take our spending in isolation and say it is high. That makes no sense.

And over his 10 years in charge we have the 5th best average finishing position not the 7th. Only Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have a higher average finishing position at a cost of about an additional £600m each over that time.

That is a massive overachievement and is the 3rd best in our history (after the 60s and 80s)

 

[Baines' left foot]

Not a knee-jerk at all, I'd honestly be quite pleased if Steve Clarke came in. Would he come though or would have a loyalty to that old piss flavoured Dalglish? You'd think the opportunity would be too good to turn down if it arose.

Also he was always one of the best assistant managers money could buy on FM.

 

[milkshock]

Just a thoguht, and I've no real reason to see the connection to be honest, but could a Moyes departure in the summer lead to a more likely prospect of a takeover?

 

[D410]

no, the owners have no intention of selling yet with the guaranteed income streams from the new TV deal.

If someone comes along they can mug off then they will sell otherwise unless we go down that will be the only conditions for sale.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Throwing a name into the possible replacements ring, Gus Poyet.

Doing well with Brighton and as a very good ex-prem player he'd command the respect of the lads. He's doing very well at Brighton, and he seems like a good chap whenever I've seen him interviewed. He's also Uruguayan.

If we're going to sign a manager from the Championship which seems likely, I'd like it to be him.

 

[neil999]

Throwing a name into the possible replacements ring, Gus Poyet.

Doing well with Brighton and as a very good ex-prem player he'd command the respect of the lads. He's doing very well at Brighton, and he seems like a good chap whenever I've seen him interviewed. He's also Uruguayan.

If we're going to sign a manager from the Championship which seems likely, I'd like it to be him.

interesting, i'd like us to have a foreign manager(scots dont count) just for the fun of it all and i like mr poyet

 

[ijjysmith]

Throwing a name into the possible replacements ring, Gus Poyet.

Doing well with Brighton and as a very good ex-prem player he'd command the respect of the lads. He's doing very well at Brighton, and he seems like a good chap whenever I've seen him interviewed. He's also Uruguayan.

If we're going to sign a manager from the Championship which seems likely, I'd like it to be him.

I've thought about him. He'd be alright I guess.

Brighton don't really play that good football though from watching them a bit. Not that, that makes a difference as to how he'll be here. Just an observation.

 

[zirc]

I can't believe people are claiming Moyes has had money to spend. Forget the net spend/gross spend numbers etc. Just look at the following transfers of £10 million or more from the summer.

Benteke (Villa) 10m
Giroud (Arsenal) 13m
Dembele (Spurs) 15m
Jarvis (West Ham) 10m
Fletcher (Sland) 12m
Ramirez (Soton) 12m
Oscar (Chelsea) 25m
Borini (Liverpool) 11m
Garcia (City) 16m
Van Persie (Man. United) 24m

If you extend it a year further back you can add Newcastle (Cisse), Fulham (Ruiz), and Stoke (Crouch) to the list. QPR have spent 12m on Samba this Jan as well. So that's 14 clubs, of the other 5, at the start of this season, only Wigan have been in the Premiership for more than 2 years.

Notice there's a lot of strikers on that list. Strikers get your team goals, and turns 0 pts into 1, and 1 into 3. They also cost money. There are bargains to be had in defence and midfield, but good strikers score goals and that is easily quantifiable unlike other positions. The last time we spent 10m on a player was Bily. In fact we have spent 10m+ on exactly three players ever. (Bily, Felli, and Yakubu) The reason being that anytime there is a bit of money to spend, Moyes has to spread it around as much as possible to flesh out a paper thin squad. 10m is maybe an arbitrary number, but how really how many great attacking players do you see being sold for less? Of course there are a few recent exceptions (Michu, Ba, Jelavic last year) Our defence has been more than solid during Moyes' tenure, it's goals that have been lacking, which is not surprising considering there haven't been any proper strikers at the club aside from 1 year of Yakubu.

Moyes can't add CL-quality talent to the team because, let's be honest, does anyone honestly see us having 10-15 million pounds to add a quality striker in the next year, five years even? Let alone 20+ which is what it costs minimum for a true world class one. Laughed my head off when I heard we were linked with Negredo, we may as well have been linked with Llorente, Lewandowski or Cavani. We're just not in the market for that calibre of player, and all the teams we are competing with are. The best we can do is buy strikers with good goalscoring records in **** leagues (Jela, Mirallas) and hope that they manage to keep that form in the PL, which isn't likely.