CONFIRMED: Moyes Leaving - All Reaction Here

[Tubey]

You think we can finish higher? I seriously doubt that.

Not arsed if Moyes stays or goes anymore, I worry about losing players like Bainsey, etc.

I think we could finish fourth or fifth, yes. I'm not stupid, I don't expect league titles, but I don't expect a manager who has won nothing to say that seventh place is the Holy Grail for a club like us.

Once again, he's lowering expectations to boost his own standing. It's in his interest to promote the "plucky little Everton" misnomer because it makes him look stellar. Himself before the club, time and time again.

 

[bluejock]

Once again, he's lowering expectations to boost his own standing. It's in his interest to promote the "plucky little Everton" misnomer because it makes him look stellar. Himself before the club, time and time again.

Spot on.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

I wrote a really long reply then.

Then waffled.



Bacon.

 

[bluejock]

I wrote a really long reply then.

Then waffled.



Bacon.

Sausages this morning.

 

[sheeds]

If he'd used the phrase "about where they'd expect everton to finish " I wouldn't have a massive problem with it it's that best we can do line that could if you were cynical give you a glimpse at the mindset into why we sometimes struggle with expectations .

Aren't everton in the top five or six football clubs & I'm pretty sure we've the same number of trophies now that we had when moyes arrived . David moyes has done well for this club & I don't blame him for thinking about himself first for me it's about everton first, second & last .

 

[allezlesbleus]

He's a cautious manager and he conveys it to the team. He wants success badly, but he doesn't have the mentality to make it happen. Thats not to say he cant roll the dice; he let the team run riot in the early part of the season and forgot all about making a big deal of conceding and just asked his team to score and get the job done. Somewhere along the line though (I'd pinpoint it to the moment Coleman was hung out to dry over his slip up against Fulham) the looking back over the shoulder nervousness crept back in. I think players take that onboard and it inhibits them. When expectation rises, Moyes doesn't meet the challenge, imo. Never has and never will.

I do think he is a better motivator in person with the players than he comes across in press conferences but I certainly hope that somehow something happens today to re activate the form, confidence and impact of 2/3 key players like kev, jela and Gibson. Lots of cracking players in this team when they hit form. Stop the soft goals against will help too. Hard on forwards to have to score 3 goals to get a win. Blimey even I am worrying about the goals against now!!! Come on lads lets attack our way out of this slump!!

 

[griffla]

He's a cautious manager and he conveys it to the team. He wants success badly, but he doesn't have the mentality to make it happen. Thats not to say he cant roll the dice; he let the team run riot in the early part of the season and forgot all about making a big deal of conceding and just asked his team to score and get the job done. Somewhere along the line though (I'd pinpoint it to the moment Coleman was hung out to dry over his slip up against Fulham) the looking back over the shoulder nervousness crept back in. I think players take that onboard and it inhibits them. When expectation rises, Moyes doesn't meet the challenge, imo.

I have to say, I think you're spot on with this. Even as an evertonian who is very much pro moyes and want him to sign a new contract.
'Never has and never will?' Hmm not sure. I think the better the team gets the more trusting he becomes with the players. It's been like watching him try & turn a cruise liner around these last 10 years but the team has got better & better and now our first 11 really is capable of great footy. Thats why Bill's stewardship is so frustrating, if he'd just back moyes properly (see january window) we could make that last push & become a great team.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

He's a cautious manager and he conveys it to the team. He wants success badly, but he doesn't have the mentality to make it happen. Thats not to say he cant roll the dice; he let the team run riot in the early part of the season and forgot all about making a big deal of conceding and just asked his team to score and get the job done. Somewhere along the line though (I'd pinpoint it to the moment Coleman was hung out to dry over his slip up against Fulham) the looking back over the shoulder nervousness crept back in. I think players take that onboard and it inhibits them. When expectation rises, Moyes doesn't meet the challenge, imo. Never has and never will.

Great Post - and bang on the money IMO.

 

[kenada_blue]

He's a cautious manager and he conveys it to the team. He wants success badly, but he doesn't have the mentality to make it happen. Thats not to say he cant roll the dice; he let the team run riot in the early part of the season and forgot all about making a big deal of conceding and just asked his team to score and get the job done. Somewhere along the line though (I'd pinpoint it to the moment Coleman was hung out to dry over his slip up against Fulham) the looking back over the shoulder nervousness crept back in. I think players take that onboard and it inhibits them. When expectation rises, Moyes doesn't meet the challenge, imo. Never has and never will.

The lack of clean sheets seemed to annoy him

 

[kenada_blue]

You think we can finish higher? I seriously doubt that.

Not arsed if Moyes stays or goes anymore, I worry about losing players like Bainsey, etc.

Up until January... Yes.

That's the bread a butter run in when a manager earns his coin.

Look at AVB at Spurs. He's been a manager who has had pressure (chelsea) and knows what it's like to be at the top in silverware (porto). He's now got Spurs 4th and still plays a strong side in the Europa League. Managing on both fronts.

All Moyes had to do is muster up some mentality to win games at home in the premiership and we'd but sitting on that 4th spot.

Can he handle pressure?

 

[toffeeben15]

Moyes is a great manager however it's his lack of tatics that let him down . So he's great at getting the best out of players and can find a gem in the transfer market but balances out by not having other plans when one fails and that pretty much rules out the deal with him moving to a big prem club because most chairman want some one who has the experience of winning things and someone who has a back up plan. So it's either manage abroad or stay at everton . I think we are in a win win Sitution . Moyes goes and we get a manger who gives the extra push then happy days but if he stays then it won't be that bad for the clubs stability

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

He's a cautious manager and he conveys it to the team. He wants success badly, but he doesn't have the mentality to make it happen. Thats not to say he cant roll the dice; he let the team run riot in the early part of the season and forgot all about making a big deal of conceding and just asked his team to score and get the job done. Somewhere along the line though (I'd pinpoint it to the moment Coleman was hung out to dry over his slip up against Fulham) the looking back over the shoulder nervousness crept back in. I think players take that onboard and it inhibits them. When expectation rises, Moyes doesn't meet the challenge, imo. Never has and never will.

Absolutely spot on Dayvek. He always reverts to type eventually even though its detrimental. No idea why he can't see it.

 

[Stend]

Moyes cant take risks, the reason being he hasnt got the talent of Spurs and Arsenal who each have more than one player who can change a game single handedly.

 

[Timak]

Up until January... Yes.

That's the bread a butter run in when a manager earns his coin.

Look at AVB at Spurs. He's been a manager who has had pressure (chelsea) and knows what it's like to be at the top in silverware (porto). He's now got Spurs 4th and still plays a strong side in the Europa League. Managing on both fronts.

All Moyes had to do is muster up some mentality to win games at home in the premiership and we'd but sitting on that 4th spot.

Can he handle pressure?

Ah so it is mentality not the vastly superior squad Spurs have.

Glad that is cleared up.

 

[fozzy]

moyes saying his contract isnt effecting him or the players! i wonder if he would be saying that if it was felli or baines stalling on signing a contract that runs out in the summer?