Club Statement: Coronavirus

[number4.]

Ok so we are going to throw Bournemouth down, by 1 goal on goal difference, by using a method never used by football? And we expect that to hold legally? Any indication how we are going to factor in those who've played more home or away games in this model? Or harder teams? Are we going to add in any of that value?

No team is going to consider it, when they realise that if you kick any side out of the league on that basis, they are going to sue. They are going to win. They are going to be re-admitted to the league mid-season which will cost the league millions and prevent future seasons being played. They are going to bankrupt the PL with money's owed. Nobody is going to vote to bankrupt English football.

As for Belgium, Belgium have cancelled the league and have voided relegation. Where it is possible they have awarded people places where they couldn't be caught mathematically (in the regular season). Strangely I could see such an approach being used. If you have something in ink mathematically, fine, if not like with Belgium it doesn't count.

The PL teams will want closure, and it's exactly for that reason they will not select an option that will not provide any closure. In fact it will cause legal wranglings far beyond any circumstance mentioned. I mean the litigation risk is 100's of time more than voiding, which is the cleanest option that allows for closure, hence the one I see them moving towards.

Put this unsolveable mess behind us. Don't try to solve a puzzle that is insolvable. Certainly don't try to solve it using an unfair method that will see you getting sued.

why should it be considered?? IMHO it shouldn't, but the reality here is it is a solution the SFA have agreed they will to allow clubs to vote on. Yes, this is a different league, yes in one way it is utterly irrelevant to English football, but if the Belgian outcome is relevant to this thread, this is too.

As for Belgium, Brugge would have gone into the remainder of the season with a max lead of 8 points and have not mathematically won the title, which they have been awarded.

PL teams for sure want closure and I agree with you, Void is the best option & that it is highly unlikely a ball will be kicked pre September effectively making this season impossible. You must remember that the Void option, may drag out until the very last sunset dies on the possibility of a ball being kicked, as no one will want to blink & after that there is still the Leeds / WBA, European spots etc and everything else up for legal debate.

Where the settle (PPG) option starts to show some advantages is it allows the beginning of some sort of negotiations. There could be a vote on it tomorrow, safe in agreement that UEFA would support this outcome in terms of next years European spots & things that could be included.

- TV agreements for more games next season as compensation, avoiding the revenue black hole suggested
- 22 team league including Leeds, WBA & so on down the divisions
- if relegation happens, some for of compensation package

Again, I dont think this is the right outcome, but it is a possible one given scotland are already due to vote on it & it might accelerate clarity & legal settlements faster than a void will

 

[paulbefc]

There need to be a few thread bans in here for the health of some of these posters.

 

[Yarrgh]

interesting to see the SFA move now; they are voting on a points per game average to determine the result of the season, across every division, settling Titles, Europe and relegation. If this was to go ahead and get approved by clubs & UEFA (as a valid nomination for clubs to compete in European cups next season); I could see this being adopted across a lot of leagues.

The PL requires a 14 club majority, should the vote on something similar & I would imagine they would get over the line here as it would bring the desired closure to proceedings for most. One thing UEFA have said is void and reselect last years teams as the qualifiers for Europe will not be accepted, I would guess they would view this, given it as an outcome from this season with more favour.

Missing Kieran lid?

 

[catcherintherye]

why should it be considered?? IMHO it shouldn't, but the reality here is it is a solution the SFA have agreed they will to allow clubs to vote on. Yes, this is a different league, yes in one way it is utterly irrelevant to English football, but if the Belgian outcome is relevant to this thread, this is too.

As for Belgium, Brugge would have gone into the remainder of the season with a max lead of 8 points and have not mathematically won the title, which they have been awarded.

PL teams for sure want closure and I agree with you, Void is the best option & that it is highly unlikely a ball will be kicked pre September effectively making this season impossible. You must remember that the Void option, may drag out until the very last sunset dies on the possibility of a ball being kicked, as no one will want to blink & after that there is still the Leeds / WBA, European spots etc and everything else up for legal debate.

Where the settle (PPG) option starts to show some advantages is it allows the beginning of some sort of negotiations. There could be a vote on it tomorrow, safe in agreement that UEFA would support this outcome in terms of next years European spots & things that could be included.

- TV agreements for more games next season as compensation, avoiding the revenue black hole suggested
- 22 team league including Leeds, WBA & so on down the divisions
- if relegation happens, some for of compensation package

Again, I dont think this is the right outcome, but it is a possible one given scotland are already due to vote on it & it might accelerate clarity & legal settlements faster than a void will

It won't accelerate legal settlements or clarity quicker than null and void at all. Nulled void it's resolved almost immediately from a legal standpoint. This would drag on.

And lets see what Scotland do. With respect Scotland don't have hundreds of millions at stake for a relegated team and as far as I can see, a side that would be relegated on goal difference, and another relegated because they haven't been able to play their game in hand. It's not a proportionate comparison.

It shouldn't be considered as we are running out of time. We need clarity quickly, and rather than wasting everyones time on solutions that are grossly unfair and legal unenforceable, it would be better finding a solution that is at least workable.

 

[mahermi1]

That is absolute nonsense. If you don't care, don't get engaged in a thread about football and it's return. If you do feel free. As I said last week, I have spent the last 4 weeks now in lockdown am awaiting test results and have all of the same worries as anyone else here, but frankly have found it a distraction and a welcome one.

Also, if deemed appropriate - lock the thread as you are right, it matters less; but I for one still care about when and in what form football returns & make no apologies for doing so. It doesn't diminish my fears or understanding of how serious the situation we are all living through is.

Your starting to remind me of someone...... let's see, can't recall the name...just remember it began with a K and he was banned recently..

 

[number4.]

It won't accelerate legal settlements or clarity quicker than null and void at all. Nulled void it's resolved almost immediately from a legal standpoint. This would drag on.

And lets see what Scotland do. With respect Scotland don't have hundreds of millions at stake for a relegated team and as far as I can see, a side that would be relegated on goal difference, and another relegated because they haven't been able to play their game in hand. It's not a proportionate comparison.

It shouldn't be considered as we are running out of time. We need clarity quickly, and rather than wasting everyones time on solutions that are grossly unfair and legal unenforceable, it would be better finding a solution that is at least workable.

i agree with nearly all of this & either way I think settlements / legal disputes will drag on with both of these options.

My point is this option might bring the starting line closer. Void option, in the eyes of TV, UEFA, FA & PL as it stands is the absolute last resort & by that means, will naturally be the last one to unfold. PPG could happen much sooner, letting negotiations kick off - Voiding (my favoured option of these) is probably a month away.

 

[willo30]

i agree with nearly all of this & either way I think settlements / legal disputes will drag on with both of these options.

My point is this option might bring the starting line closer. Void option, in the eyes of TV, UEFA, FA & PL as it stands is the absolute last resort & by that means, will naturally be the last one to unfold. PPG could happen much sooner, letting negotiations kick off - Voiding (my favoured option of these) is probably a month away.

TV want games. They won't support PPG or void.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Missing Kieran lid?

Is he ‘out’ or just another pretender btw?

 

[number4.]

TV want games. They won't support PPG or void.

You're right Willo, the wont support either; but at some stage the scale tips and this season formally dies & either TV and League end up in court over this year or perhaps they can agree new terms including more games for next. I think the immediate nature of the PPG settlement proposed in Scotland facilitates this negotiation earlier & might make it happen.

 

[Toast]

Is he ‘out’ or just another pretender btw?

Uh-oh @number4. The big boss man is now on your case.

 

[Yarrgh]

Is he ‘out’ or just another pretender btw?

He's ready to blow cap'n.

 

[Prevenger17]

i agree with nearly all of this & either way I think settlements / legal disputes will drag on with both of these options.

My point is this option might bring the starting line closer. Void option, in the eyes of TV, UEFA, FA & PL as it stands is the absolute last resort & by that means, will naturally be the last one to unfold. PPG could happen much sooner, letting negotiations kick off - Voiding (my favoured option of these) is probably a month away.

Your time approaches. Break the mould number4, out yourself now and make this easy

 

[catcherintherye]

i agree with nearly all of this & either way I think settlements / legal disputes will drag on with both of these options.

My point is this option might bring the starting line closer. Void option, in the eyes of TV, UEFA, FA & PL as it stands is the absolute last resort & by that means, will naturally be the last one to unfold. PPG could happen much sooner, letting negotiations kick off - Voiding (my favoured option of these) is probably a month away.

The point is it wont though. I mean what is your finishing line?

We can void tomorrow, as weve done with all football below league 5. That can be done tomorrow and we can be moving forward. No legal challenges, a clean resolved season.

 

[number4.]

The point is it wont though. I mean what is your finishing line?

We can void tomorrow, as weve done with all football below league 5. That can be done tomorrow and we can be moving forward. No legal challenges, a clean resolved season.

Yeah - we can void tomorrow for sure - but we wont because of the mexican stand off over TV revenue, the legal consequence around european places, relegations and more. Everyone is sitting on their hands and will avoid voiding (mouthful) til the last minute possible, which is a good while away yet.

My point is in terms of chronology; PPG could be agreed now letting negotiations and legal disputes begin, Voiding will be kicked down the road til the very last minute, delaying all of these.

I'm certainly for voiding out of these two outcomes, I do not think PPG is fair at all; but am beginning to wonder if it is more likely, purely because it might happen sooner

 

[Billysgingham.]

Your time approaches. Break the mould number4, out yourself now and make this easy

I like the way he nonchalantly dismiss the posts about him being a red.