Billysgingham.
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I think all the blag blues will walk a little bit softer on here for a while after what happened with k.
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Mutzo Nutzo
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Not forgetting his stance in the guard of honour thread that we should provide the rs with a guard of honour. The evidence is there for all too see. Definate dodgy posting history.
lads - if you need a new focus for a hunt (the Keiran one looked fun in fairness) by all means go ahead, but i cant be bothered engaging with it. If you think the SPL decision today is not relevant to this thread fair enough. I certainly did given it's context
I think this is really disingenous.
How much money is at stake in the Scottish League? Whats the liability for litigation?
Who are you going to relegate out of Watford or Bournemouth on the PPG model?
As for your 2nd point, I see absolutely no evidence any PL would support such a proposal, that would radically shift the rules, do something that I don't believe has ever been done in the history of football anywhere, and put people out of work on the basis of a PPG calculation, when we know some teams have harder games left than others.
Of all the stupid suggestions that have been dreamed up, the idea you allocate places, based upon teams who have played different levels of opponents, different games at home and away etc is complete un utter stupidity.
I can see no team in the PL wanting to risk the organisation on that basis. It will be sued, and it will be bankrupted by the sides they allocate to send down. They will be owed hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions in owed sums.
We are clearly moving into the direction of null and void. Belgium's season was voided, no relegation, only mathematically uncatchable (with the regular thus equivalent) seasons positions accepted. It's what's happened in every single league, for mens nd women below tier 5 (and as yet not a single bit of litigation, quell surprise). Germany have effectively confirmed the end of June deadline today in actions, stating it's when it's finished.
The actions of sides are leading us, at a continued pace to a acknowledgement the season is not finishshable. Under no circumstance should we entertain the idea that some mathematical formula can resolve places. That would be an absolute disgrace. In truth anybody who proposed or voted for that should face immediate relegation.
Whats not relevant is you saying most clubs would vote for it, or that it's what we should do. There's no evidence to say any clubs should vote for it, and it's a disgraceful wholly unfair process that should not even be considered.
The real news today, is the German league have ostensibly with actions and words confirmed the contractual deadline at the end of June can't be moved, and essentially we have already missed the deadline to finish by then.
Firstly, I have not said I am in favor of it & secondly I agree it is absolutely unfair & like any other outcomes would probably end up down the route of legal disputes and challenges. With regards to your Watford V Bournmouth question, I would assume everything would be recalibrated and rescored on a PPG model, meaning in this case harshly Bournemouth would still get relegated on GD.
However, I can see the PL clubs going for anything that offers closure on the season & see no reason why this would be less likely to get through a vote (approved by 14 clubs) than voiding the entire season.
Regarding the Belgian season, it wasn't voided, it has been abandoned. The winners and European spots have been decided based on this seasons current placings, relegation cancelled and two extra teams accommodated in next seasons league. Brugge were not uncatchable as after the remaining round of regular season fixtures, the top 6 would have entered a mini league to decide placings. See below....
The point system in the championship playoff is the same as during the regular season, except that each team starts with half of the points they won in the regular season, rounded up to the nearest integer. The points gained by rounding are deducted in the case of a tie.
The top 6 teams from the regular season enter the championship playoff, with the first-placed team winning the championship of Belgium. Each team plays their opponents twice, and the teams are ranked by points, points from rounding, wins, etc. as in the regular season.
We are in agreement that everything is moving towards an unfinishable season, but I suspect at an authority level, there will be as many pushing for this as for void. Make no mistake, PL teams won't hesitate to throw three of their own under the bus very very quickly if it suits them. Wolves, Spurs and the three relegated would presumably be against this solution immediately, but there are certainly 8 + teams who would definitely be in favor.
You're right - it is unfair and shouldn't be considered, this doesn't mean it wont be considered and you can certainly see multiple PL clubs voting for it.
Regarding bundesliga - I dont get your point, apologies. What is clear there is players are back in full training and confident the season will be finished, behind closed doors if needed by the end of May. They seem to have got on top of COVID-19 like no other western nation
Granter - You are completely right, it is not important relative to this & I doubt you will find anyone here who thinks football should start before it is absolutely safe to do so.......
As this thread has evolved, I think it has turned into a lot more speculation of if, how and in what form Football might return & I don't think caring about this means you care any less about anything the horrors of Covid-19
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No. Peoples views on here and elsewhere have evolved, so that they actually no longer give a flying one about how and when football returns. It has no relevance anymore - yet you're still at it like a dog with a bone?
granter79
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Cheers for replying. I wont be engaging with this moron
That is absolute nonsense. If you don't care, don't get engaged in a thread about football and it's return. If you do feel free. As I said last week, I have spent the last 4 weeks now in lockdown am awaiting test results and have all of the same worries as anyone else here, but frankly have found it a distraction and a welcome one.
Also, if deemed appropriate - lock the thread as you are right, it matters less; but I for one still care about when and in what form football returns & make no apologies for doing so. It doesn't diminish my fears or understanding of how serious the situation we are all living through is.
Why should it be considered? And why do you think lots of PL clubs would vote for it? Who is getting relegated out of Bournemouth and Watford? If any of them employ a lawyer, none will consider it.
My point re Germany, is that they want to get it finished by the end of June. They are ignoring any advice by Fifa about extensions because they know legally it won't hold. If you want the season finished, it needs to be done by June. We are rapidly running out of time.
Ok so we are going to throw Bournemouth down, by 1 goal on goal difference, by using a method never used by football? And we expect that to hold legally? Any indication how we are going to factor in those who've played more home or away games in this model? Or harder teams? Are we going to add in any of that value?
No team is going to consider it, when they realise that if you kick any side out of the league on that basis, they are going to sue. They are going to win. They are going to be re-admitted to the league mid-season which will cost the league millions and prevent future seasons being played. They are going to bankrupt the PL with money's owed. Nobody is going to vote to bankrupt English football.
As for Belgium, Belgium have cancelled the league and have voided relegation. Where it is possible they have awarded people places where they couldn't be caught mathematically (in the regular season). Strangely I could see such an approach being used. If you have something in ink mathematically, fine, if not like with Belgium it doesn't count.
The PL teams will want closure, and it's exactly for that reason they will not select an option that will not provide any closure. In fact it will cause legal wranglings far beyond any circumstance mentioned. I mean the litigation risk is 100's of time more than voiding, which is the cleanest option that allows for closure, hence the one I see them moving towards.
Put this unsolveable mess behind us. Don't try to solve a puzzle that is insolvable. Certainly don't try to solve it using an unfair method that will see you getting sued.
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