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It's a doomsday interpretation of our finances. Lfc aren't far behind and he's interpreted their finances favourably.

A more honest appraisal of both clubs sees one club far deeper in the hole than the other. Hint, it's the one owned by profit seeking yanks.

Like you say, you don't know much about finance so ill forgive you.

What has he done to “interpret their finances favourably”? I would genuinely like to understand.
 
Liverpools debt is due to their new stadium expansion and training ground they are in the process of building which they are able to service easily due to all the extra income they are making from the extra attendance plus all the new sponsorship deals. News just broke today they are in the process of a new kit dealswhich would see them bringing in over £70 million a year, more than double their current one...

Our debt on the other hand is toxic. What have we got out of it? We're still falling behind the top 6 in terms of revenue and our squad hasn't improved at all.
 
All this dlck swinging about who has the biggest debt is pathetic. Besides once you factor in our new stadium, you can easily add £500m+ to ours, and it will eat up a healthy chunk of our income in interest as well as the actual repayments, so we win!

Of course most of us believe we will have another owner alongside Moshiri in the not too distant future, so its all a bit moot.
 
Why is Kenwright even commenting? Just let the guy with the cash and the employees get on with doing what he never did "grow the club" lets hope the new stadium gets built that is key.
 
Liverpools debt is due to their new stadium expansion and training ground they are in the process of building which they are able to service easily due to all the extra income they are making from the extra attendance plus all the new sponsorship deals. News just broke today they are in the process of a new kit dealswhich would see them bringing in over £70 million a year, more than double their current one...

Our debt on the other hand is toxic. What have we got out of it? We're still falling behind the top 6 in terms of revenue and our squad hasn't improved at all.

That and the fact that most of Liverpool’s debt is actually inter company loans from the owners to themselves. And their income is significant.
 
What happened after that though?

We were heading towards relegation faster than we were were heading towards winning anything.
Really?
Two seasons finishing in 11th place with 47 points. Here we are now, pretty much half way through the season and sitting in....11th place and on course for maybe 48 or 49 points.
I suspect that we’d be in a better place if Martinez had stayed and been given the 200 million or so that we have blown since he left.
 
Really?
Two seasons finishing in 11th place with 47 points. Here we are now, pretty much half way through the season and sitting in....11th place and on course for maybe 48 or 49 points.
I suspect that we’d be in a better place if Martinez had stayed and been given the 200 million or so that we have blown since he left.

How many of Martinez’s signings worked out for us? I wouldn’t trust that guy with £5 in Greggs.
 
How many of Martinez’s signings worked out for us? I wouldn’t trust that guy with £5 in Greggs.
He signed us the single player who scored more goals for us than any other since the days of Sharp and Lineker. A player who we then sold for our club record profit and who we still miss nearly two seasons later.
Had Martinez stayed I suspect that we would have kept Deulofeu....he’s not playing badly for Watford is he?
I hardly think that the couple of hundred million has been wonderfully spent since Martinez left. Whilst Iceman and Richarlison are clearly talented players and probably our best signings since Martinez left, Iceman is only now coming into some form and we don’t yet even know what Richarlison’s best position is. £90 million there.
 
Liverpools debt is due to their new stadium expansion and training ground they are in the process of building which they are able to service easily due to all the extra income they are making from the extra attendance plus all the new sponsorship deals. News just broke today they are in the process of a new kit dealswhich would see them bringing in over £70 million a year, more than double their current one...

Our debt on the other hand is toxic. What have we got out of it? We're still falling behind the top 6 in terms of revenue and our squad hasn't improved at all.
When is our new kit deal up for renewal and is it still the kit bag deal.

Amazing if they pull off breaking United's £75 million a year deal from United, which will increase their spending power, seems to be a battle with Nike and Adidas to sign them up if they don't stay with New Balance. Their revenues seem to be going up 30% ever year since Klopp has been there and that's in sequence with their on field performances improving home and abroad, we are miles away from them on and off the pitch and no matter how much it hurts it's glaringly true and even @Steve0 can't spin that.

These are the current kit deals right now with the big 6.

United £75 million a year/ 10 year deal with Adidas.
Chelsea £60 million / 15 year with Nike.
Arsenal £60 million a year /5 year with Nike.
City £50 million a year /5 year with Puma.
Spurs £30 million a year /15 years with Nike.
RS £50 million a year. 6 year deal with Warrior/New Balance.

And what do we get from ours a year, less than £10 million a year?

Moshiri doesn't seem to have a plan so far, Nothing has improved on the pitch despite the splurges, On his 3rd appointment and 4th manager since he's been at the helm and commercially and turnover wise we still cannot get past the £200 million pound barrier while wages to turnover is an incredible 77% and a debt that is more than our entire turnover!!!!!!!!!!, This is absurd with an owner who was a personal accountant for a billionaire Oligarch to get in such a precarious position financially.
 
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What has he done to “interpret their finances favourably”? I would genuinely like to understand.

Well he's defined the loan from uzzy as debt. Technically that's right but uzzy has not said he wants it back, it's debt in the same way abramovichs money is ch3lseas debt. Also equity is actually a dearer form of finance anyway.

The fsg loan to Liverpool hasn't been included in his figures. When it really should've been.

Liverpool are way over 200m in debt with at least £7m payable in interest every year compared to less than £4m for Everton.

There's no real way to spin it. There's a reason you've had to sell your best players every year and it's not because you're swimming in cash.
The extra 12m a year the new stand brought in was wiped out by the new contracts given to speedy mo and mane.

Wolf has been kept from the door but already lost 3 players on frees with 8 squad players due to expire in the next 18 months. It's either pay them the silly money given to others or let them go for free.

Fabinho and Keita look out of their depth. Moderate players not worth the transfer fee or wages.

This is the calm before the storm. Basically a Leicester. Relying on a couple of players to carry the team and refereeing decisions and ludicrous bounces to help them along.
 
Think he just makes it up as he goes along mate. Then he always shows his arrogance by the little put down after. The. Worst. Poster. On. Here. Very arrogant, self opinionated little man.

Arrogant and self opinionated maybe but I'm 6ft 2 and over 200lbs.

Ohhhhhhhh yeah baby!
When is our new kit deal up for renewal and is it still the kit bag deal.

Amazing if they pull off breaking United's £75 million a year deal from United, which will increase their spending power, seems to be a battle with Nike and Adidas to sign them up if they don't stay with New Balance. Their revenues seem to be going up 30% ever year since Klopp has been there and that's in sequence with their on field performances improving home and abroad, we are miles away from them on and off the pitch and no matter how much it hurts it's glaringly true and even @Steve0 can't spin that.

These are the current kit deals right now with the big 6.

United £75 million a year/ 10 year deal with Adidas.
Chelsea £60 million / 15 year with Nike.
Arsenal £60 million a year /5 year with Nike.
City £50 million a year /5 year with Puma.
Spurs £30 million a year /15 years with Nike.
RS £50 million a year. 6 year deal with Warrior/New Balance.

And what do we get from ours a year, less than £10 million a year?

Moshiri doesn't seem to have a plan so far, Nothing has improved on the pitch despite the splurges, On his 3rd appointment and 4th manager since he's been at the helm and commercially and turnover wise we still cannot get past the £200 million pound barrier while wages to turnover is an incredible 77% and a debt that is more than our entire turnover!!!!!!!!!!, This is absurd with an owner who was a personal accountant for a billionaire Oligarch to get in such a precarious position financially.
When is our new kit deal up for renewal and is it still the kit bag deal.

Amazing if they pull off breaking United's £75 million a year deal from United, which will increase their spending power, seems to be a battle with Nike and Adidas to sign them up if they don't stay with New Balance. Their revenues seem to be going up 30% ever year since Klopp has been there and that's in sequence with their on field performances improving home and abroad, we are miles away from them on and off the pitch and no matter how much it hurts it's glaringly true and even @Steve0 can't spin that.

These are the current kit deals right now with the big 6.

United £75 million a year/ 10 year deal with Adidas.
Chelsea £60 million / 15 year with Nike.
Arsenal £60 million a year /5 year with Nike.
City £50 million a year /5 year with Puma.
Spurs £30 million a year /15 years with Nike.
RS £50 million a year. 6 year deal with Warrior/New Balance.

And what do we get from ours a year, less than £10 million a year?

Moshiri doesn't seem to have a plan so far, Nothing has improved on the pitch despite the splurges, On his 3rd appointment and 4th manager since he's been at the helm and commercially and turnover wise we still cannot get past the £200 million pound barrier while wages to turnover is an incredible 77% and a debt that is more than our entire turnover!!!!!!!!!!, This is absurd with an owner who was a personal accountant for a billionaire Oligarch to get in such a precarious position financially.

Are you excited about the new stadium?

That'll help revenues. Corporate seats, no obstructed views, conference facilities, concerts.

New kit deal, uzzy already pumping money in via sleeve sponsorship, training ground sponsorship, don't be surprised to see this increased now that uzzy has increased his stake in our club.

Its looking good tbh. Still need like 10 players (pickford, digne, Gomes and Mina are good enough to take us forward). Siggy too but he's oldish. Oh and lookmam. Big fan me. But it's a project and these things take time.
 
Arrogant and self opinionated maybe but I'm 6ft 2 and over 200lbs.

Ohhhhhhhh yeah baby!



Are you excited about the new stadium?

That'll help revenues. Corporate seats, no obstructed views, conference facilities, concerts.

New kit deal, uzzy already pumping money in via sleeve sponsorship, training ground sponsorship, don't be surprised to see this increased now that uzzy has increased his stake in our club.

Its looking good tbh. Still need like 10 players (pickford, digne, Gomes and Mina are good enough to take us forward). Siggy too but he's oldish. Oh and lookmam. Big fan me. But it's a project and these things take time.

Lol pickford. Give me a break.
 
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