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Bruce Wayne said:
It's frustrating really, as you so often get people who are a bit bonkers put in front of the media, and they're made to sound bonkers and naive and all of those things, because they pretty much are. Neill talks about the IPCC models and the scientific community, but it would be a great start if America hadn't withdrawn from the Paris accord, and there was more teeth given to it to police it so that Brazil (as an example) weren't burning the Amazon with abandon. The danger is that because these people are so far out, we use that as a reason not to do anything at all.
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This is the lefts real difficulty currently. There is an absence of intellectual leadership in most aspects.

There's a lot of potential reasons for this. I think labour under Blair did a very good job at developing cadres away from such thinking. The breakdown of the trade union movement has had a knock on affect too. However there's little doubt there's an absence of intellectual ideas and far too few people who can convey them with any degree of effectiveness.

I remember reading about why the Revolution was in Russia not Germany (who had the most advanced, and sizeable working class) and it was essentially reduced down to Russia having Trotsky, Lenin, Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin, Bogdanov etc. All fantastic intellects and communicaters. Sometimes it's as simple as that.
 
Tubey said:
No, my logic is that we should do something to combat the effects of climate change instead of pretending we can stop it in the first instance. We can't.

We don't combat old age by trying to invent immortality, do we? No, we put systems and measures in place to accommodate an ageing population, because ageing is inevitable.

As for other countries will follow? Why? We had our industrial revolution - what right do we have to say other sovereign states can't have theres? It's not like stopping nuclear proliferation - we can't argue against Iran having coal power plants like we can a nuclear weapon.

That's the geopolitical reality of climate change - it's happening, we can't stop it, the best we can do is somewhat moderate it and prepare for the median scenario, but that's not enough for these protesters, because they see the world in black and white - they want it irrationally stopped.
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When you say we can’t stop global further climate change, what you really mean is we won’t stop climate change. It is physically possible to immediately stop burning coal, drilling oil, burning forests etc. However politics and money mean it won’t happen. But just because we don’t want to doesn’t mean we can’t.
You are correct that old age is inevitable though and we physically can’t stop it.
 
WA Toffee said:
When you say we can’t stop global further climate change, what you really mean is we won’t stop climate change. It is physically possible to immediately stop burning coal, drilling oil, burning forests etc. However politics and money mean it won’t happen. But just because we don’t want to doesn’t mean we can’t.
You are correct that old age is inevitable though and we physically can’t stop it.
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I didn't say 'further' climate change. I said climate change will now happen regardless of what we do now, and the only question is to the extent of the damage. Either way, the solutions needed will be broadly the same, whether the oceans rise half a metre or one metre.

So we need to focus on solutions more than the remedy, as the damage has already been done. There's no way to stop it. We can try to mitigate it, and that's already happening, but realistically the end result will be broadly the same unless China, India et al have an insane change of heart and decide to become carbon neutral overnight.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
theconversation.com

A psychotherapist explains why some adults are reacting badly to young climate strikers

Greta Thunberg has received a lot of abuse for her campaign to provoke global action on climate change.
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Yes, I've seen a few like this. That it's adults who don't like being told to do by kids.

www.ft.com

Why middle-aged men hate Greta Thunberg

Being guilt-tripped by a teenager is too close to home for plenty of parents
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I think it's probably true for some of her critics, but by no means all. It's essentially propaganda - the same as it's easy to paint all climate activists as 'crusties', whatever that means, it's also very easy to round up those who aren't being alarmist as... well... this.

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It is notable that you find very, very few media outlets daring to question her or the people using her, to challenge, to do... you know... journalism. It's because of our overall culture now - you don't want to be 'cancelled', to be labelled a 'bigot', a 'hater', so you just go along with the common consensus. Any question is an 'attack'.

No, I don't have an issue with Thunberg because of her age. I have a problem with her alarmist rhetoric and general lack of knowledge. What Thunberg represents is the decline in trust in what experts say, how politicians have been allowed to ignore common sense and reason to the point where that is no longer a weapon - so you need a bulletproof young girl to advance the argument instead.
 
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