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...I just used the same phrase on another thread, 'we need to manage the game', it's not so much about personnel it's about shape and organisation. The manager has accumulated a very good squad but he needs to learn lessons.
I agree in part. But surely our attention today should be focussed squarely on what appeared to be clear corruption? Even in the Bournemouth game the ref played 2 mins extra that wasnt warranted. The ref today was intent on playing as long as was necessary.
The Esk
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It was clearly poor refereeing and bad linesmanship not to spot the offside, but I don't subscribe to the corruption accusation - the fact is we allowed Chelsea to get back into a match (just like Bournemouth) through our inability to close out a 2-0 lead and subsequently a 3-2 lead in almost identical circumstances.
We won't learn the lesson through blaming others.
Ashtonian
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Which goals are his fault though. The offside one or the deflected one?
......surely today wasn't down to TH.
Even our Andy is on it.......
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...rtonsupporting-labour-mp-slams-a3158386.html?
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...rtonsupporting-labour-mp-slams-a3158386.html?
Stanley Parker
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How do you manage a deflected shot and an obviously offside goal?
And we've seen Everton achieve a 0-0 draw this week. Didn't Roberto 'manage' that game?
It amazes me how many on here want to blame anything other than the team and management
The complete cock up with Jags for the first, doesn't come out quick enough neither does he stay back, instead goes in between and the chuckle brothers collide. Too many mistakes from the bloke this season and soon as that went in it was game over.
You don't allow the opposition to get into those positions
We have massive massive problems in terms of knowing what to do when ahead in games. And it's what worries me abut going to city for the second leg. But today I thought we played fairly well at all times. We were undone by a disastrous howard/jagielka mess, a typically unlucky deflection and what I see as corrupt refereeing.
Corrupt insomuch as he didnt set out to play extra time, but was happy to do so given he was at chelsea, a team who referees clearly are under pressure to appease. The fact the linesman then misses the obvious offside again smacks of corruption in that he couldn't possibly not have seen it and simply was scared to make the call given the stadium and match situation.
But of course we have massive lessons to learn, and I'm worried Roberto isn't able too instill the mentality we need. Today tho, I feel it is right to primarily target fraudulent officiating which ultimately lost us 2 points.
Ashtonian
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But that is one goal out the three.
Even if you look at it unbiased then jags us just as much at fault there for not shouting. Was just one of those goals, second was massive deflection and third was like 5 yards out.
Many things to blame today for not winning but Howard isn't one
allezlesbleus
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You make good points mate but we can't control the refs(although we should be on at them more) we can work on factors such as shape organisation and especially mentality when we lead. To be honest we were similar with this attitude yonks ago. Midfielders seem to believe defenders and keeper will deal with crosses so do not work too hard to cut off the supply. I do not know how much is players and how much Martinez says to midfield and attackers that they do not need to get stuck in when oppo has ball but somewhere in between these two factors we are not improving and it is stunting the development of an potentially excellent team
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