Chelsea v Everton. 16th Jan at 1500.

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How do you manage a deflected shot and an obviously offside goal?

And we've seen Everton achieve a 0-0 draw this week. Didn't Roberto 'manage' that game?

.....you can't look at this game in isolation. The City game illustrates we can manage a game but there are too many examples where we fail to do this. We are not yet hard nosed enough to see games out.
 
How do you manage a deflected shot and an obviously offside goal?

And we've seen Everton achieve a 0-0 draw this week. Didn't Roberto 'manage' that game?

Given @Eggs and I have made the same points it's about knowing at 2-0 you have to keep the game very tight, total concentration and your senior players show for the ball and maintain control in the knowledge the home team is going to throw everything at you. Didn't happen today, we sat deeper and an individual error lead to the first goal. Second goal we were still far too deep. Then we lose our heads on scoring a third and for everyone in the ground it was inevitable that Chelsea would get at least a chance to equalise. The fact that the goal was offside is irrelevant - we should never have put ourselves in that position.
 
Game management, game management, game management........

Need to send a tape to Martinez and all the senior pros just repeating those two words.

A performance that had everything good and bad about our beloved blues. Total control of most of the game, some fantastic individual performances, yet also the weaknesses that have been apparent throughout the season, individually and tactically.

Regardless our biggest weakness is game management - at 2-0 we should never have conceded the first (individual error), second was unlucky but we were defending far too deeply as a team after their first goal, and us having scored a third regardless of Terry being offside, our game management was terrible beginning with the celebrations to the end of the game.

Hope we might have learned that lesson at Bournemouth, but looks like we haven't yet.

Massively frustrating for all concerned, roller coaster of an afternoon.
These Ott team/crowd celebrations need to stop. Get back in position, hunker down, and rush our fans at the final whistle. Makes us look foolish: celebrating like we won a game and walking off the park with a draw. Twice!
 
We have massive massive problems in terms of knowing what to do when ahead in games. And it's what worries me abut going to city for the second leg. But today I thought we played fairly well at all times. We were undone by a disastrous howard/jagielka mess, a typically unlucky deflection and what I see as corrupt refereeing.

Corrupt insomuch as he didnt set out to play extra time, but was happy to do so given he was at chelsea, a team who referees clearly are under pressure to appease. The fact the linesman then misses the obvious offside again smacks of corruption in that he couldn't possibly not have seen it and simply was scared to make the call given the stadium and match situation.

But of course we have massive lessons to learn, and I'm worried Roberto isn't able too instill the mentality we need. Today tho, I feel it is right to primarily target fraudulent officiating which ultimately lost us 2 points.
I thought we played well, just wish I could show a conversation I was having with a fellow blue and a red mate. At 2 0 I said it wasn't near over. The inability to kill a league game worries me
 
But that is one goal out the three.

Even if you look at it unbiased then jags us just as much at fault there for not shouting. Was just one of those goals, second was massive deflection and third was like 5 yards out.

Many things to blame today for not winning but Howard isn't one

Jags was as much as to blame I said earlier in his thread he's a [Poor language removed] house when it comes to playing against a Costa type striker, but for me the defence must be nervous having him behind them hence the cock ups. Robles ain't much special but the defenders look more composed when he plays.

Chelsea were dead and buries at 2-0 down, that mistake shattered our confidence and gave them a big boost, same old same old.
 
You make good points mate but we can't control the refs(although we should be on at them more) we can work on factors such as shape organisation and especially mentality when we lead. To be honest we were similar with this attitude yonks ago. Midfielders seem to believe defenders and keeper will deal with crosses so do not work too hard to cut off the supply. I do not know how much is players and how much Martinez says to midfield and attackers that they do not need to get stuck in when oppo has ball but somewhere in between these two factors we are not improving and it is stunting the development of an potentially excellent team

Oh absolutely mate there is plenty to work on. A heck of a lot in truth. Overall I'm very much sceptical about roberto and as it stands barring silverware or a huge league form improvement, I'd want him out in the summer. All I've been saying throughout various threads tonight is that I genuinely don't see need to criticise him today. I think the blame today lies solely at the feet of officials who made a concerted attempt to aid chelsea.

But overall yes you're absolutely correct, we have no real toughness to grind out the results once we get the lead and we've been truly dreadful in this regard throughout the season. So much potential we have too.
 
Accepting we haven't learned game management yet, and our goalkeeper once again let the opposition back in when we weren't in any danger, the only way for football fans to ever be certain that the game isn't corrupt is if replay technology is deployed. Match officials in cricket, rugby, tennis, athletics, american football and every sport that requires it have embraced it. Why not football ... because football is corrupt.
 
Jags should know rule 101 of defending dont let the ball bounce.nothing anyone on the line can do about that.he is a full england international and knows what trouble you can put yourself under leaving a ball bounce with somebody like costa lurking.sometimes it is bobbys fault but sometimes the players should be taking a long look at themselves.
 
Squeaky clean in terms of in the moment decisions yes. American football even has its own 'neutral' operations room nowhere near any stadium where 3 independent officials watch every match with multiple cameras and make a call on any decision. 'm english i've really begun to enjoy the nfl because i can rely on the neutrality of officials and the use of live replay technology that is independently verified and on-pitch decisions are overruled. and as you know in amercian football there seems to be loads of referees with flags watching for infringements. they just do not get the big decisions wrong these days
 
Squeaky clean in terms of in the moment decisions yes. American football even has its own 'neutral' operations room nowhere near any stadium where 3 independent officials watch every match with multiple cameras and make a call on any decision. 'm english i've really begun to enjoy the nfl because i can rely on the neutrality of officials and the use of live replay technology that is independently verified and on-pitch decisions are overruled. and as you know in amercian football there seems to be loads of referees with flags watching for infringements. they just do not get the big decisions wrong these days

True. It also takes 4 hours to play a 1 hour game.
 
Fuming is an understatement.
Squeaky clean in terms of in the moment decisions yes. American football even has its own 'neutral' operations room nowhere near any stadium where 3 independent officials watch every match with multiple cameras and make a call on any decision. 'm english i've really begun to enjoy the nfl because i can rely on the neutrality of officials and the use of live replay technology that is independently verified and on-pitch decisions are overruled. and as you know in amercian football there seems to be loads of referees with flags watching for infringements. they just do not get the big decisions wrong these days

I hear your point, but take it from an American, the NFL has gone overboard with the stoppages of play, challenges of non-impact calls to the game, and just general over-flagging things and taking too much time to make decisions. If we could bring technology into football such that it doens't interfere with the game, like goal line technology has, then i'm all for it.

I remember last year when someone (can't remmeber, possibly Costa) shoudl have clearly received a Red but it was missed by the ref. I would agree with a situation where you let play go on, and independent refs watching replays can call down to the Red and say get this guy off, clear red card. The issue is I don't know how you can possibly do replays for something like offside. The game goes on - you can't go back in time. Unless we think a one minute stoppage to review a goal isn't that intrusive to the game.

i don't know what the right answer is, but it does seem incredible that something like what happened today can't be overturned.
 
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