2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[Lanolin]

Sorry, I just can’t understand all this

We’ve been adrift and crap for years with no real prospects of getting better or doing anything of note

we get one of the all time great coaches in

he is just over half way into his first proper season, we are well placed still and show clear improvements even if very very flawed.

however there are countless multi-paragraph posts with expert views on perceived errors, declaring basically they are right and the manager was wrong. Not opinions, stated as facts...all over the shop. In between those are posts already sneering and getting little digs in. Then there’s the few who are barely hiding that they want to go full on Sack him, I don’t care who he is!! and w be doing so as soon as they think its safe.

I mean at what point as a fan do you ever stfu and just support and wait and see, and if ever there was a time in the last 25yrs to stfu, support and wait and see.....is it not bloody now?

I guess I’m just surprised that even though I knew it wouldn’t be long before I’d be seeing defensive “he’s not above criticism” posts that it’s still a disappointment to see all this. Pages of whinging.

I personally will accept whatever the hell he decides to do with this club until at least the season after next without bothering to overthink it and worry about it because christ knows regardless of your amazing insight on whatever crap game we have had recently, overall he will not be doing any worse than the best of the previous chancers we had nor any worse than any other manager we might have gotten in if he hadn’t joined. Debating and dismantling every decision and game of a Marco Silva, yeah I get it. This...nah..

looking forward to tmros game and all the next ones, and the transfer window and then a new season with an ever better team. It feels refreshing to be 100% behind a manager and not be thinking about whether they will be good enough and see out the season and who the hell might come in next.

rant over

I think when you start saying it's OK to question one qualified, experienced, manager but not another, you're definitely heading into cult territory.

 

[quasi modo]

I think we just need to accept that when Allan is out we do not have a midfielder that can really tackle and that we can't really expect consistently good performances when hamstrung like that. The team however has grown a backbone - United and spurs performances show that which is a real positive. Hopefully a combination of his return and our mettle will give us a strong end to the season.

Doucoure can tackle and cover the pitch, but when he is forced to cover the right hand side of the pitch due to a combination of Rodriguez and Coleman we are left with a massive hole in the middle.

 

[Pabbers]

Never really understood this argument. If the manager can't do anything to affect performance, what exactly are we employing him for. For me, if the manager gets it right I will praise him, if he gets it wrong i'll question him. There is ample evidence of me taking this approach with all managers and players in my posting history. It seems totally bizarre to me that anyone would do anything other than that, but there are definitely some bizarre people on here so maybe it's not that surprising.

Its the same for players, they do well, they get the praise. If they dont, they get the opposite.
Seems bizarre to me that anyone would do anything other than that.

 

[Lanolin]

Its the same for players, they do well, they get the praise. If they dont, they get the opposite.
Seems bizarre to me that anyone would do anything other than that.

Yep, hence me literally saying I do that in the post you're replying to.

 

[Pabbers]

It was fair because it was the fourth disappointing home loss in the last couple of months. Players showed a lack of effort and commitment and people will always be annoyed by that.

People are allowed to be frustrated and people are allowed to be optimistic. People are different. This club have let people down for a long time so it's not a surprise there is pessimism. I feel pretty demoralised after watching the last match.

The Carlo stuff is being overplayed. He's the best manager we can possibly have but he's not perfect - no one is. He made some mistakes on Sunday but it changes nothing. He will get 10x more right than he gets wrong and if he's backed properly he will improve us. There is no doubt at all in my mind. The worry with Carlo is he has enough and chooses to leave us, not us replacing him.

Being disappointed is fine, we all are.

What we are really talking about here is the exagerated knee-jerking.

Its happening now even with this....those fans that dont really say anyting that bad, are now along the lines of being in a cult, according to some.

Twitter is full of this when we dont win... "I dont care what anyway says.....INSERT PLAYER NAME HERE...is terrible and need to be out the door"

They just dont learn.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Being disappointed is fine, we all are.

What we are really talking about here is the exagerated knee-jerking.

Its happening now even with this....those fans that dont really say anyting that bad, are now along the lines of being in a cult, according to some.

Twitter is full of this when we dont win... "I dont care what anyway says.....INSERT PLAYER NAME HERE...is terrible and need to be out the door"

They just dont learn.

Lots of our players do need to be moved on. That's not a controversial opinion in any way and the manager will agree. Wanting to see better performances at home to a team who are about to be relegated is not knee-jerking though. If we are ever to move forward then our standards have to improve quite a lot.

I haven't been on twitter for a long time now, so in general I agree on that.

 

[Lanolin]

Being disappointed is fine, we all are.

What we are really talking about here is the exagerated knee-jerking.

Its happening now even with this....those fans that dont really say anyting that bad, are now along the lines of being in a cult, according to some.

Twitter is full of this when we dont win... "I dont care what anyway says.....INSERT PLAYER NAME HERE...is terrible and need to be out the door"

They just dont learn.

Saying that it's perfectly understandable that you would question everything that one person does but you should 'STFU' and not question anything that another person does sounds very culty to me, but like I said, some people are bizarre.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Most of this season its had a feeling of 'this could finally be the year we push on.' But now I have to say its suddenly got a feeling of mid-table inevitability about it.

 

[Thomasc]

I can see youre feeling personally attacked. Didnt have you in mind, but based on your response im guessing youre in the whine category.

Not at all.
Just find all the people getting all upset about the opinions of others on the internet a bit odd.
To be fair, the post we are are referring to was an almighty rant.

 

[Nyhus]

Not at all.
Just find all the people getting all upset about the opinions of others on the internet a bit odd.
To be fair, the post we are are referring to was an almighty rant.

Alright, good, no offense was ment. We’re all Evertonians in here(Barry excluded).

 

[COYBL25]

@GwladysBlue @GwladysBlue @GwladysBlue @GwladysBlue @GwladysBlue @GwladysBlue @GwladysBlue

(he has me on ignore)

Is that like Candyman Neil ?

You say @GwladysBlue seven times into the mirror and this middle aged, bag of wind appears behind you and starts screaming for the manager to be sacked.

 

[PhilM]

No, the whining and complaining should stop, or at least calm down a couple of notches, whenever something doesnt go our way. Its the extreme either or of our fanbase that is so grating. We win and suddenly we’re going to secure CL football, no doubt. We lose and we have the worst, lazy team with the dumbest manager in the world. The truth is in the middle, we all know that, making the whining annoying to say the least. The propping us up to be world beaters is silly too, but positivity is always more charming than dread.

I've said this multiple, multiple times, but for me there is a huge the pendulum mentality: we're often either rubbish or we're great, with very little in between.

That's quite a sweeping statement and many aren't like that, but after any match (win, lose or draw) the eccentrics come out to play with unrealistic comments.

Carlo got it wrong on Sunday, massively, which is more than fair to discuss; any sensible fan wouldn't have an issue with proportioning some of the blame.

Yet from it, the hyperbolic comments start to pop up. People make links with Newcastle, but there would it not be right to question the players there?

The same with Sunday. You have to balance it with the many positives Carlo has brought, and for me the long-term projections are bright and positive.

There will be peaks and troughs with sadly more games like Sunday to come, however as long as the balance improves then we're on the right track.

I still trust that Carlo, with pedigree and experience, will start to deal with the problems we have; he's open to criticism, but let's not ignore the wider context.

 

[riddick]

I think we just need to accept that when Allan is out we do not have a midfielder that can really tackle and that we can't really expect consistently good performances when hamstrung like that. The team however has grown a backbone - United and spurs performances show that which is a real positive. Hopefully a combination of his return and our mettle will give us a strong end to the season.

Mate you can exchange Allan with any name on our first team besides Pickford and we typically are crap without them. We were crap after the Liverpool match because Richarlison was out. Then James. Then Alan. Now DCL. We had literally every first team player against Fulham bar DCL and THAT was their performance.

It's Carlos job to get them ready for it, evaluate their fitness levels and choose the team who will do the best with his instructions. How people can just gloss over he sets the team up with how to play is a bit mad.

We don't create chances. We're, what, bottom 3 for chances created from open play and middle of the road for set pieces? Whatever attacking freedom they had before Liverpool has been gone for 17 matches.

 

[MikeH72]

So your solution to playing the midfielders we did, was to play a tiny winger who has struggled also, or play a striker that has just come here and is not fit ?

Thats cool, and thats your opinon. But that wont guarentee we would have won the game.

We lost the game because the central midfield would not close reed and the other centre mid down quick enough....and Coleman had a tough time agains Lookman, who has been playing well and had something to prove.

The players out on that pitch are all good enough to stop the above, but they didnt....it happens.

Not sure Onyango, King, Bernard and Virginia would have changed that.

Well playing King might have enabled us to go long and hold the ball up. Playing Iwobi might have given us a bit of pace and an outlet on the wing to break rather than being camped inside our own half. You are essentially saying that no one is allowed to suggest this because Carlo Ancelotti picked a team and therefore it must’ve been the correct team because he’s Carlo Ancelotti. It stinks, it isn’t conducive to a proper debate. People trying to actually have a nuanced debate in here are just getting shot down because whatever Carlo Ancelotti days goes and that’s just that.

That team was not good enough to beat Fulham. The make up of the midfield was entirely wrong, we had no width, we had no energy to counter the pressing game, we had no striker, we had a right back who needs the person playing in front of him to do all his defending for him. You can keep your blinkers on if you want and pretend that the manager’s hands were tied and there’s nothing he personally could’ve done to win us that game (or change it when it was obvious the players on the pitch weren’t doing the job), it must be wonderful to live in that world. I wish I did, it’d probably cause me a lot less stress and irritation. But it just simply isn’t reality. He is a human being and gets things wrong, it’s fine to say that, there is no point in pretending he’s some infallible god. It’s also fine/possible to question an individual football match without calling for the manager’s head, which is exactly what most people on here are doing.

 

[Bullens Rd]

The fact that anybody thinks Carlo is above criticism just because of who he is is hilarious. We all know his track record and we hope he can do a good job here, but currently he's not torn up any trees - but is at a disadvantage because he hasn't been able to forge his own squad yet.

I'll judge him properly this time next season. If he's been backed in the summer and we're not comfortably in the top six then he won't be performing any better than Martinez did but with much less investment.