2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

[malcson]

My point is just that these players have played under coaches who have preferred ball-possessing / positional play, and are not players who come from Joe Kinnear's management.

My second point is that everyone develops some habits, and Ancelotti is no exception.

I also did not say that Ancelotti's teams did not play good football, but Ancelotti has never been known to be particularly offensive and innovative. At Ac Milan, it was thought he had a too defensive attitude, and they therefore bought a lot of offensive star players to force him to play more offensively. At Real Madrid, they played counter-attacking football, which was not well received by everyone.

Of course I think Ancelotti plays the football he thinks gives the best results, but it is not certain that this approach gives the best results over time. But time is an unknown factor for Ancelotti.

You’re right bring back Martinez he knew how to set Everton up to play attacking football.

 

[kenada_blue]

the offer has been on for about a year

I know. It's the only reason I've got it lol

 

[golazo7]

Remember the mighty Reds lost against Brighton and Burnley. That takes the shine of the BIG victory doesnt it?

Still. We beat the reds at Anfield.

 

[Goat]

He took Empoli from bad in the second tier to staying up their first season in the first. Took Napoli from Europa to constant CL level and second best in the league behind Juve despite Juve poaching his best player. Are we still doing the Sarri stinks thing? I mean the argument was "LOL hasn't won anything" but that doesn't even work anymore. The guy can coach.

Obviously we aren't sacking Carlo. But that stat won't last forever without some work.

Im not saying Sarri is bad.

Im ignoring Empoli, cos that's a team that's spent a lot of time in Serie A, its not an amazing feat.

But he took over a Napoli side that Rafael and Walter Mazzarri got to 2nd before him.

Winning titles at Juve and Chelsea isn't groundbreaking stuff.

So again, which team did he build up?

You still haven't told me why we are replacing him with Sarri tho, what are the reasons we are getting rid, cos that's what you implied, you implied we should sack Carlo and replace him with Sarri, so you must have a reason for wanting Carlo out?

Moved it here, for obvious reasons.

I mean I know the answer, its cos he signed Allan, didn't play Gordon, Kean or Niels.

No matter what he does, hes lost you.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Im not saying Sarri is bad.

But he took over a Napoli side that Rafael and Walter Mazzarri got to 2nd before him.

Winning titles at Juve and Chelsea isn't groundbreaking stuff.

So again, which team did he build up?

You still haven't told me why we are replacing him with Sarri tho, what are the reasons we are getting rid, cos that's what you implied, you implied we should sack Carlo and replace him with Sarri, so you must have a reason for wanting Carlo out?

Moved it here, for obvious reasons.

As a major fan of that Mazzarri side I can assure you that with the exception of Hamsik it was entirely gone by the time Sarri took over. Benitez got 63 points his final year. Sarri's low was 82. There is no argument that he didn't revitalize that club, I'm sorry. Benitez took them into the gutter because he's just not a very good manager and they reached a different level of consistency under Sarri.

And again, Empoli.

The reasons for getting rid of Carlo are we're a bad passing side, we play mostly in our own half, we don't create anything and the only saving grace is a defense that sometimes manages to be above average but has to get there by further killing our passing and attacking from the low level it is otherwise at.

And I know, the results. But results aren't predictive of further results. If you aren't doing things that lead to winning a higher percentage of games you are going to regress at some point. There are some things that explain why our results are above our performances, but imo nothing that really leads to us sustaining a CL challenge.

For the record I am not advocating for firing Carlo. But I do think there is a case and basically as soon as results fall off it gets to being a really interesting case because all we really have right now to point to is the results.

 

[Carlito]

Im not saying Sarri is bad.

Im ignoring Empoli, cos that's a team that's spent a lot of time in Serie A, its not an amazing feat.

But he took over a Napoli side that Rafael and Walter Mazzarri got to 2nd before him.

Winning titles at Juve and Chelsea isn't groundbreaking stuff.

So again, which team did he build up?

You still haven't told me why we are replacing him with Sarri tho, what are the reasons we are getting rid, cos that's what you implied, you implied we should sack Carlo and replace him with Sarri, so you must have a reason for wanting Carlo out?

Moved it here, for obvious reasons.

I mean I know the answer, its cos he signed Allan, didn't play Gordon, Kean or Niels.

No matter what he does, hes lost you.

Sarri is exactly the kind of appointment that Everton would make, after spending a small nation's GDP on players for Ancelotti.

And then they'd wonder why it wasn't working.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Im not saying Sarri is bad.

Im ignoring Empoli, cos that's a team that's spent a lot of time in Serie A, its not an amazing feat.

But he took over a Napoli side that Rafael and Walter Mazzarri got to 2nd before him.

Winning titles at Juve and Chelsea isn't groundbreaking stuff.

So again, which team did he build up?

You still haven't told me why we are replacing him with Sarri tho, what are the reasons we are getting rid, cos that's what you implied, you implied we should sack Carlo and replace him with Sarri, so you must have a reason for wanting Carlo out?

Moved it here, for obvious reasons.

I mean I know the answer, its cos he signed Allan, didn't play Gordon, Kean or Niels.

No matter what he does, hes lost you.

The Preston manager doesn’t play Gordon either but maybe he’s also wrong.

 

[Goat]

As a major fan of that Mazzarri side I can assure you that with the exception of Hamsik it was entirely gone by the time Sarri took over. Benitez got 63 points his final year. Sarri's low was 82. There is no argument that he didn't revitalize that club, I'm sorry. Benitez took them into the gutter because he's just not a very good manager and they reached a different level of consistency under Sarri.

And again, Empoli.

The reasons for getting rid of Carlo are we're a bad passing side, we play mostly in our own half, we don't create anything and the only saving grace is a defense that sometimes manages to be above average but has to get there by further killing our passing and attacking from the low level it is otherwise at.

And I know, the results. But results aren't predictive of further results. If you aren't doing things that lead to winning a higher percentage of games you are going to regress at some point. There are some things that explain why our results are above our performances, but imo nothing that really leads to us sustaining a CL challenge.

For the record I am not advocating for firing Carlo. But I do think there is a case and basically as soon as results fall off it gets to being a really interesting case because all we really have right now to point to is the results.

So ignore results and focus more on pass matrixes.

Got it.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The Preston manager doesn’t play Gordon either but maybe he’s also wrong.

Which Preston manager? The one who just got fired or the one who has been in charge a week?

 

[Goat]

Sarri is exactly the kind of appointment that Everton would make, after spending a small nation's GDP on players for Ancelotti.

And then they'd wonder why it wasn't working.

Would love to see The Iceberg and Gomes play Sarriball.

 

[TheBigIguana]

So ignore results and focus more on pass matrixes.

Got it.

It is more like ignore the results when the "good" results have you in 8th anyway and focus on playing good football which will bring good results with it if you actually take the time to build up to that point.

Football is a weird sport where you can play in a way that puts a ceiling on how good you can be but will always be good enough to keep you around the middle. Teams make this decision all the time and it is fine I just don't think Everton have that ambition level.

 

[kiss the crest]

The Preston manager doesn’t play Gordon either but maybe he’s also wrong.

You can probably file Gordon under Dowell and the likes

 

[Carlito]

Would love to see The Iceberg and Gomes play Sarriball.

Haha - his lungs would go the way of Martinez's hairline.

Why did he get bombed out of Juventus, by the way? I thought they'd keep him on after winning the league.

 

[Goat]

It is more like ignore the results when the "good" results have you in 8th anyway and focus on playing good football which will bring good results with it if you actually take the time to build up to that point.

Football is a weird sport where you can play in a way that puts a ceiling on how good you can be but will always be good enough to keep you around the middle. Teams make this decision all the time and it is fine I just don't think Everton have that ambition level.

Premier League managers are only ever 5 games from the sack and guess what they are judged on? Results.

You don't think Carlo Ancelotti has the ambition?

Yeah, you are 100% a Russian AI, nobody in the world is this stupid.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Haha - his lungs would go the way of Martinez's hairline.

Why did he get bombed out of Juventus, by the way? I thought they'd keep him on after winning the league.

Juve is firmly in the mode where anything but winning the CL is a failure. So not sure where that leaves Pirlo.