davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Lukaku and Stones have thrown more money at this club than Sam Hammam ever will.
Can we draw lessons from the equally soul destroying season of 2003/04?
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Lukaku and Stones have thrown more money at this club than Sam Hammam ever will.
Toast
Player Valuation: £80m
Our new big money centre forward should be up and down the sandhills in his kit to get used to he cold !Indeed.
It makes no flippin’ sense.
Two away trips on the bounce when they come back.....one at Burnley.
How is this “warm weather training” helping out in those preparations?
Meanwhile the teams still involved in things soldier on
Instead he's sat off with Big Sam smashing room service all over the gaff.
Pay per view bluies, the lot.
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Koeman and/or Walsh has set us back a few years to where we aimed to be.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Very much so. Koeman especially. He came in and we cast the old ways out the window to accommodate him...and we fell flat on our face.
And let's face it, there was widespread elation at the time that the old ways were dismissed. Now we're like those East Germans who were overjoyed when the Wall fell and now look back with Ostalgia to the old system.
Born in Wetzlar, Germany and lived in Germany till he was about 19/20 - It's currently colder there than Liverpool so I reckon the fairly mild winter weather this year hasn't been a massive issue for him.
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
I was very unimpressed with his style of football and the signings made in the summer.
I said this at the match at our first home game this season and the guy infront turned around and said I was chatting ****. Bet he regrets that’s now.
Toast
Player Valuation: £80m
He could just be a bit of a fanny then.
Sake.
Woolly Blue
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Spot on, I skimmed past the rest, then saw the important bit.
Martinez's second and third seasons were also soul destroying.
OP didn't mention them.
Why would he?
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
Martinez's second and third seasons were also soul destroying.
OP didn't mention them.
The third one was, but the second one was more annoying at how a team that looked decent in Europe could suddenly forget how to play football at the weekend. Had Alcaraz not been picked against Kiev that season could have been a lot more enjoyable.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £70m
Its a really interesting post Dave. Without going into reams, I think the situations are vastly different.
2004 was really the final year of what had been a decade of relegation struggles. There had been about 3 years in 11 where we were immersed in it. For those who lived through it, in spite of the final position 2004 was one of the more comfortable seasons. We had a poor squad, lacking in investment and it didn't come as any surprise. That being said, the manager and approach to recruitment were very much in keeping with where we were. The thinking was joined up.
Currently we have an expensively assembled squad, and something of an arrogance that we cannot be relegated. There have been no serious dogfights since 2004. We are underachieving and I'm not sure how exactly to reverse it and nor do those in charge. For all his faults Bill was a "football man" which I don't think Moshiri is and whereas Bill largely allowed people who knew the game to get on with things, I do worry Moshiri interferes too much.
If we got a proper DOF in, a proper coach, cleared out the old guard and continued the investment we will be ok. However it's looking increasingly unlikely unless this is done it becomes disjointed and we struggle.
2004 was really the final year of what had been a decade of relegation struggles. There had been about 3 years in 11 where we were immersed in it. For those who lived through it, in spite of the final position 2004 was one of the more comfortable seasons. We had a poor squad, lacking in investment and it didn't come as any surprise. That being said, the manager and approach to recruitment were very much in keeping with where we were. The thinking was joined up.
Currently we have an expensively assembled squad, and something of an arrogance that we cannot be relegated. There have been no serious dogfights since 2004. We are underachieving and I'm not sure how exactly to reverse it and nor do those in charge. For all his faults Bill was a "football man" which I don't think Moshiri is and whereas Bill largely allowed people who knew the game to get on with things, I do worry Moshiri interferes too much.
If we got a proper DOF in, a proper coach, cleared out the old guard and continued the investment we will be ok. However it's looking increasingly unlikely unless this is done it becomes disjointed and we struggle.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Cup runs to the last 16 in Europe and SF stage of two domestic competitions. We could do with some more soul crushing like that....the horror....the horror....Martinez's second and third seasons were also soul destroying.
OP didn't mention them.
Anyone sensible would have seen the way to go. Get a Rangnick/PSV DOF in. Massively stick bend to young players with a young attacking coach, give them time. I know it's your hobby horse but for me we were hasty in getting rid of Martinez now, we have gone backwards since then and have no plan.
Instruct a coach he has to work with Dowell, Kenny, Beni, Davies, Lookman, DCL, Holgate, and add in lads like Bailey, Haller, Gray who we were linked with. Give it 2-3 years.
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