Can Allardyce turn this round & win back the fans ?

[Toffeelover]

Here's one for you, looking at our final games:

Stoke (Away)
City (Home)
Them (Home)
Swansea (Away)
Barcodes (Home)
Huddersfield (Away)
Southampton (Home)
Hammers (Away)

If we were to get 15/16 points from those, would you be happy enough to give him another year?

Do not think so, but I will donate towards his taxi fare so he does not have to pull out his own wallet.

 

[Toffeelover]

Yes let’s give him another season, it’s only taken him this long to finally play our best team and to play a left back at Beep Left back.

Guys an idiot who thinks we are as big and West Ham and Newcastle with the same expectation, even thought we spend DOUBLE the amount they have combined. Not to mention they where both recently in the championship. We won 9 league title to there ..errrm 12 point lead over United about 15 years ago

For me the problem with your suggestion is the players he might sign in the summer and will be here for more than one season. Can we afford to keep for another season to allow him those choices/

 

[Papa Shango]

Why would anyone want Sam? Boring negative football, blatant lies at press conferences. He still count’s the West Ham win as one of his. We will never get anywhere near the top 6 under him.

While Silva is a gamble like any manager we get, I would rather take that gamble.

As for Hull and Watford. He took over Hull when they were on their knees. A bit similar to West Brom this season. And he gave Hull s fighting chance. A lot of Hull fans said it the best football they’ve ever seen.

And with in 5minutes of taking the Watford job, he’s got them playing good football and in the top 6 had we not come in for him, they would still be mid table now. And surely every Watford fan would have took that this season.

So Silva is very flaky and easily distracted then?

The football is no more negative or boring than it has been for years, there is a reason for that too as its the same players! All of a dudden he gets two very important players back (Baines and Coleman) and his two signings come into the team and we look loads stronger.

He wont be staying anyway so why do people keep saying stuff like we wont get near the top 6 under him? First of all we are near it now but it doesn't matter anyway!

I don't want him myself, that's the worst part, anyone who dares to point out that he is not quite as bad as some make out or are hapy to just get to the end of the season with him and go from there are deemed to love him or something.

Personally I think every manager deserves to be judged on their own merits and so far Allardyce has done about what would be expected.

 

[blue62]

And you have just added to the hot air.

And as for Silva based on what exactly. Our owner was prepared to pay 15mil for him. And now can get him for free. I doubt he will turn that chance down.

I’m not saying silva is the right man, but if Moshiri does then he will be our manager by June.

How do you know we were prepared to pay £15m, did you read it somewhere and believe it? I think you called Allardyce a buffoon, I was challenging that on the basis that the facts of the situation would suggest he's far from stupid, by all means object to him being our manager but try to keep the discussion sensible, I'd say that Allardyce is playing his hand rather better than our board.

Last time I looked Moshiri was a major shareholder, that doesn't mean he owns the club and under company rules he'd need a few more shares before that became a fact, but then I get the impression facts don't count for much with you.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

How do you know we were prepared to pay £15m, did you read it somewhere and believe it? I think you called Allardyce a buffoon, I was challenging that on the basis that the facts of the situation would suggest he's far from stupid, by all means object to him being our manager but try to keep the discussion sensible, I'd say that Allardyce is playing his hand rather better than our board.

Last time I looked Moshiri was a major shareholder, that doesn't mean he owns the club and under company rules he'd need a few more shares before that became a fact, but then I get the impression facts don't count for much with you.

1st I didn’t call him a buffoon, I’ve called him a lot worse. Abd come on mate. You talk about sensible conversation, then try and dismiss our bid for Silva, the whole world and his dog knew. Did you read the the Watford statement after he was sacked, they blamed a Premmier league club. I wonder which club that was.

And yes Moshiri is only the majority shareholder, but do you honestly believe he’s not calling the shots.
I will take you back 2 yrs, we beat Chelsea fa cup Q/final. Bill comes out with the “what a manager” line.
A month later he’s sacked. So you tell me who sacked him.

 

[blue62]

1st I didn’t call him a buffoon, I’ve called him a lot worse. Abd come on mate. You talk about sensible conversation, then try and dismiss our bid for Silva, the whole world and his dog knew. Did you read the the Watford statement after he was sacked, they blamed a Premmier league club. I wonder which club that was.

And yes Moshiri is only the majority shareholder, but do you honestly believe he’s not calling the shots.
I will take you back 2 yrs, we beat Chelsea fa cup Q/final. Bill comes out with the “what a manager” line.
A month later he’s sacked. So you tell me who sacked him.

I didn't question that we wanted Silva, I just wanted to know where you got £15m from. If you didn't call him a buffoon then apologies, but if you are really suggesting that Kenwright backing and then sacking a manager proves Moshiri's in charge then the same accusation could be levelled at plenty of clubs, Chairman constantly back then sack.

For the time being Moshiri does not and cannot call the shots and IMO the current ownership stasis is our biggest problem, not Sam, Walsh, Elstone or anyone else and it frustrates me that so many blues continue to let the board off the hook and go for the soft, obvious target. I don't want Sam, but I don't believe that swapping him out for Silva or AN Other will fix our problems.

 

[riddick]

I didn't question that we wanted Silva, I just wanted to know where you got £15m from. If you didn't call him a buffoon then apologies, but if you are really suggesting that Kenwright backing and then sacking a manager proves Moshiri's in charge then the same accusation could be levelled at plenty of clubs, Chairman constantly back then sack.

For the time being Moshiri does not and cannot call the shots and IMO the current ownership stasis is our biggest problem, not Sam, Walsh, Elstone or anyone else and it frustrates me that so many blues continue to let the board off the hook and go for the soft, obvious target. I don't want Sam, but I don't believe that swapping him out for Silva or AN Other will fix our problems.

He owns 49.9% of Everton, how do you reckon he can not call the shots?

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I didn't question that we wanted Silva, I just wanted to know where you got £15m from. If you didn't call him a buffoon then apologies, but if you are really suggesting that Kenwright backing and then sacking a manager proves Moshiri's in charge then the same accusation could be levelled at plenty of clubs, Chairman constantly back then sack.

For the time being Moshiri does not and cannot call the shots and IMO the current ownership stasis is our biggest problem, not Sam, Walsh, Elstone or anyone else and it frustrates me that so many blues continue to let the board off the hook and go for the soft, obvious target. I don't want Sam, but I don't believe that swapping him out for Silva or AN Other will fix our problems.

Fonseca would by my choice personally.
We will have to agree to disagree on who we think is running the show, but it basically points in moshiri’s direction.

Do you really believe had moshiri not been part of Everton that
1) bill would have got rid of Martinez so soon after that Chelsea result?
2) do you think bill would have appointed koeman?

Also a lot of respected journalists, close to Everton have recently said Bill didn’t want Sam, it was Moshiri’s decision.

 

[blue62]

He owns 49.9% of Everton, how do you reckon he can not call the shots?

I am not a corporate lawyer, but I do know that ownership (of shares) and control are two different things. Depending on EFC's articles of association (which I am not privy to) he would need at least 51% or even as much as 75% (I think) to have control. I'm not suggesting that he doesn't have considerable influence, just arguing the case that it is not his train set (yet). You and others can disagree all they like but it won't alter the facts.

The wider point I was trying to make is that until we have a situation where Moshiri (or anyone else) has control of the club we will suffer from the sort of indecision that has plagued us since Moshiri arrived. It took too long to play out both the Koeman and Martinez sackings (both were publicly hung out to dry) and too long to appoint their replacements, presumably while the board argued amongst themselves because no one individual had control. My personal take (and it is no more than a hunch) is that although Bill and Mosh get on (unlike Kroenke and Usmanov) the lack of effective control disrupts the smooth running of the club and is the single biggest problem we currently face.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Upto 20, Big Sam is turning it around he has the magic!

 

[summerisle]

Err, no.

 

[Daytripper]

I can’t see it, people have seen through the ego and the bile spouted before and after matches.

It’s fine coming here to “do a job” , I get that. What I don’t think is fine is his demeanour, his attitude, the disingenuous way of avoiding criticism of himself, the “big sam” media brigade, the horrendous performances such as yesterday, Spurs away, Arsenal away, City and United at home.

You tell me what club with genuine aspirations for success would tolerate this? Would tolerate things like “we won the second half” with an appallingly weak display against Manchester City.

They wouldn’t put up with it, we do or we should be putting up with according to some fans and the media buddies. Don’t kick off if we are not considered a big club then defend situations and people who are the cause of that status being questioned in the first place.

 

[lancs blue]

Tis like stickin Marie Antoinette's head back on with super glue and hoping for the best. Not a chance. He's lost it

 

[overkill]

Even if he won a trophy (unlikely) but if he did hed still be hated.

 

[billyblue80]

Never