British Imperialism
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It’s quietened down a bit. Think we’re in the eye of the storm though.
I think you will find it was a lot more than art.
Shevin Keedy
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I realise art seeps into design, into manufacturing and architecture and subsequently into public consciousness, but it is clearly classical art, architecture and design that is the most influential, or certainly moreso than Bauhaus. However, if I am wrong, please explain how.
I think the simplification of the work coming out of Bauhaus has influenced post war architecture, furnishing and typography more than classical design. In architecture than has been far from all good but in furnishing and graphics I think it has been positive.
Billy Dean
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The British Empire partitioned India in 1947. But that's ok it was of it's time. Nazi Germany, which toppled in 1945, was bad however.
The partition of India was clearly unequivocal failure and a stain on British history, which at the time causes many deaths and its impact is still clear today.
Yet, I find trying to make a comparison between the reasons behind partition, which is quite complex, and the actions of Nazi Germany well.... bizarre.
Billy Dean
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It is indeed a bit of a crude comparison. But I was thinking of numbers of needless deaths caused by both.
I think you'll find that the partition of India was an internal Indian idea...due to what they saw as irreconcilable differences between Hindu and Muslim sections.
And that the partition started as early as 1905.
The British reluctantly agreed to get the independence deal done and as soon as the British stepped aside they started to slaughter each other...alegedlly.
Also, iirc, the Independence deal was being thrashed out in 1939 only to be put on hold until afer the war.
Billy Dean
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Invade, whip up sectarian mayhem, leave whilst said mayhem is in full swing. Sounds familiar.
After defeating the french supported and supplied army of Bengal at Plassey (Clive etc.)in 1775. The British(east india company) took over control of large swathes of Bengal.
The was an existing prophesy that if the previous Mungal overlords were ever defeated they would rise again in 100yrs.
Fast forward to the just before the 1857 mutiny and Hindu and Muslim factions were stirring up their respectivefactiins in the Indian (british indian) army by telling them that the paper cartridges were greasedwith either pig or cow grease depending on who thry were upsetting.
So there was no need for the british to whip up secterian bad feeling...and as we know from Ireland sectaeriansmof any stripe can do that quite well on their own.
The brits wanted nothing of the sort, it was all about business.
Fair enough and I understand the comparison of the figures. Nevertheless, the rationale behind both are far from comparable.
While internal politics and ethnic/religious division played a part, it is fair to say that our own politics and failings contributed to the disaster - intentionally or not.
As part of my degree many moons ago, I did a fair few modules on post-1945 decolonisation and it was an area that I always felt was easily misinterpreted.
I still have mixed feelings from an aura of clumsiness on the British part (I use that word loosely) up to a level incompetence that was almost malign.
It would be naive to say that partition was completely the fault of the British, but let's be honest we need to shoulder a fair amount of the responsibility.
A good but relatively brief document to read is: https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/files/teachingresourcewhywasbritishindiapartitionedin1947pdf
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The uk establishment, Mountbatten etc were very ill iquiped to deal with the divide and rule tactic of the 2 factions, who along with playing each other were busy playing the UK...who didnt even know there was a game going on.
I see what you mean.
The uk establishment, Mountbatten etc were very ill iquiped to deal with the divide and rule tactic of the 2 factions, who along with playing each other were busy playing the UK...who didnt even know there was a game going on.
cooperman
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As someone who's only ever worked in metric, feet, inches and then the subsequent fractions seem overly complicated.
The si system with the prefixes every thousandth is far more logical I think
Yet the americans sent men to the moon using it...how quaint, however did they manage?
Ans; it doesn't matter, its about the person doing the measurement.
I used to bore out precise diameters using spring bow inside calipers and a external micrometer...old school skills.
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