Bring back Roberto Martinez?

[Nymzee]

The last two seasons were midtable rubbish, but even in those two seasons we played attacking football and scored goals and got to the latter stages of three cup competitions.

The difference between you lot and I is that I can still make a case for the manager I backed, you cant with your choices of Koeman and Allardyce.

Again neither Koeman nor Allardyce were my choices. Please feel free to dig up my posts to show they were.

Team Mancini all the way.

 

[ToffeeTim]

If they were the only 2 managers in the world, then yes.

But thankfully they aren't, so the short answer is absolutely not.

 

[the golden visionary]

What's Walter Smith up to these days ?

He's already on the ale.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

The last two seasons were midtable rubbish, but even in those two seasons we played attacking football and scored goals and got to the latter stages of three cup competitions.

Got it in one. We're never going to be relegated. Just isn't going to happen. The decision then is simple; either try and play decent footy and win games or give up the ghost and focus everything on 7th place at best.

Bobby Brown Shoes gave us our best football since the 80s. He should never have been sacked.

 

[Papa Shango]

He would quite rightly tell us to do one.

 

[paulf]

Got it in one. We're never going to be relegated. Just isn't going to happen. The decision then is simple; either try and play decent footy and win games or give up the ghost and focus everything on 7th place at best.

Bobby Brown Shoes gave us our best football since the 80s. He should never have been sacked.

Bed

 

[davek]

I agree we played some lovely football in His first season. What followed was completely unacceptable though (I'm especially thinking Hull away on new years day, up there with the worst I've ever seen from Everton). Not really bothered about the 2 SF, nobody remembers the teams that get knocked out in the semis, and says a lot that it's being dressed as some sort of achievement.

That said he obviously cared about the club and its history, tried to have us playing in an attractive manner, but for many reasons it never worked out and it become toxic. The players gave up on him way before the fans.

The less said about Koeman and the current incumbent the better.

It never worked out for him, no. The last two seasons could and should have been a lot better.

That concession however does not detract from the point that his biggest critics were completely and utterly wrong. They thought Martinez was/is a poor manager (and any glance at his CV overall will tell you otherwise) and they backed a manager who came in and proved himself the worst most toxic manager in our club;s history in Ronald Koeman.

As said, I understand their motives in continuing their vendetta against RM: an attempt to cover their painful embarrassment.

 

[davek]

He would quite rightly tell us to do one.

There it is ^^^

RM = WC manager
EFC = in the gutter

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Honestly think we would get relegated
New levels of booing

 

[davek]

Got it in one. We're never going to be relegated. Just isn't going to happen. The decision then is simple; either try and play decent footy and win games or give up the ghost and focus everything on 7th place at best.

Bobby Brown Shoes gave us our best football since the 80s. He should never have been sacked.

Best football we witnessed since HKI.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Moyes?!

Ha Ha ha. Go and have a look at what Moyes did in the real world outside of Kenwright's cloak of protection - he nearly relegated us in his second season here...any other chairman would have kicked him out then. He allowed him to stay and we had another nine seasons of mind numbing hoofball.

There is the reality of what actually happened, and then there is your warped, biased, deluded view of what happened so maybe we can settle this with some facts.

Moyes took over an Everton side that had finished 15th, 17th, 14th, 13th, 16th in the previous 5 seasons. Martinez took over a side that had finished 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th in the previous 5. To me that highlights that Moyes had a tougher task when taking over EFC.

Martinez lasted 3 seasons at Everton overseeing a 5th, 11th and 12th (12th when he was sacked) placed finish. That gives an average league placing of 10th. Moyes lasted 11 seasons and at his best got us a top 4 finish, and 5th on 2 occasions, contributing to an overall average league finish of 8th (7.5). Within 3 seasons of coming in as Everton manager he got us a 4th placed finish, which is higher than what Martinez achieved in that time.

Martinez took us to 2 semi Finals, whilst Moyes got us to 1 Semi Final and a FA Cup Final.

So Moyes beats him on average league finish, highest league finish and furthest run in a Cup competition. All through his own leadership as he didn't get a helping hand from Walter Smith like Martinez got from taking over the side Moyes built. Martinez had one excellent season where the football was mostly great. To call the football under Moyes mind numbing hoofball for 9 years is attempting to rewrite history. The outstanding team goal against Larissa by Osman was probably the best worked Everton goal in the last 20 years.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Best football we witnessed since HKI.

People seem to forget the point of football as a modern sport - it's supposed to be entertaining. Add in the fact that it should ideally also be attacking and fearless and you get the idea. I just don't see the point of an Allardyce or similar. They don't have an ounce of history in running an attractive successful team.

 

[Cels]

The God of Sexy football compared to the beast of Allardyce.

He's matured and learnt a lot in the intervening years......

 

[Papa Shango]

Got it in one. We're never going to be relegated. Just isn't going to happen. The decision then is simple; either try and play decent footy and win games or give up the ghost and focus everything on 7th place at best.

Bobby Brown Shoes gave us our best football since the 80s. He should never have been sacked.

Hmmm, he should have been sacked but purely because the fans had turned on him and the players had seemingly downed tools on him too. It should never have gotten to that and its a shame.

We couldn't sack all the players (sadly..). The only problem now is our fans never seem to be happy with anyone.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

There is the reality of what actually happened, and then there is your warped, biased, deluded view of what happened so maybe we can settle this with some facts.

Moyes took over an Everton side that had finished 15th, 17th, 14th, 13th, 16th in the previous 5 seasons. Martinez took over a side that had finished 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th in the previous 5. To me that highlights that Moyes had a tougher task when taking over EFC.

Martinez lasted 3 seasons at Everton overseeing a 5th, 11th and 12th (12th when he was sacked) placed finish. That gives an average league placing of 10th. Moyes lasted 11 seasons and at his best got us a top 4 finish, and 5th on 2 occasions, contributing to an overall average league finish of 8th (7.5). Within 3 seasons of coming in as Everton manager he got us a 4th placed finish, which is higher than what Martinez achieved in that time.

Martinez took us to 2 semi Finals, whilst Moyes got us to 1 Semi Final and a FA Cup Final.

So Moyes beats him on average league finish, highest league finish and furthest run in a Cup competition. All through his own leadership as he didn't get a helping hand from Walter Smith like Martinez got from taking over the side Moyes built. Martinez had one excellent season where the football was mostly great. To call the football under Moyes mind numbing hoofball for 9 years is attempting to rewrite history. The outstanding team goal against Larissa by Osman was probably the best worked Everton goal in the last 20 years.

Moyes' second season was worse than Martinez's third season. Latter got sacked whereas Moyes was allowed to learn and re-build.

In the vast majority of times Moyes never went on the front foot against any team in and around us in the table - let alone the Sky teams for whom we may as well have not bothered turning up.