Bolton Vs Everton 25th Oct 1:30pm KO

[ToxtethBlue]

He's not saying we need to show heart and passion and fist pumping as you suggest to win games. He's saying they should start getting the basics right, concentrate more, stop giving silly mistakes away, play from the 1st minute to the last....

"So it is up to them (the players) to sort it out now. I will help them and coach them and work with them - but at the end of the day they are the ones who cross the white line and they need to roll their sleeves up. I'll protect them, I'll protect their performances. But if they don't do basic things like head the ball and defend set-pieces, which they practice and work on - then it is themselves they need to look at."
He added: "We didn't start brightly enough. I thought at times we played quite well as the game went on. It was pretty and nice to watch. But Bolton won the game with a more simple style of football so maybe we should think about getting the ball in the box and doing something similar."


Which is what I've said. We're trying to play like we've got a 1st team and fit players, passing it around, fannying about. We should knock it on the head, take a note out of stokes book, get organised, be solid and simple, battle for points. Id rather us play ugly and solid to get the points than "okay" fall asleep and get sucker punched.

Towards the end of the game we were looking to go a snatch a win. We didnt, we looked to try and get em on the break. Long ball later, caught the defence out AGAIN, goal, lost the match.

Simple football.

That's not really the case, you don't have to play one way or the other. The aim for Moyes and the team should be to try and combine both, play good football aswell as keeping things tight and being disiplined.

We've been knocking it long all season and everyone with half a brain can see it doesn't suit nor has it ever been the way forward for successful sides.

If we want to take pressure off the back four then we have to be more disiplined and more than anything improve our distribution. If you give the ball away, like we do, then it'll just keep coming right back at you.

At the moment we are playing as simple as you can get bar the odd moment from an individual player, usually Saha. There's any craft, creativity and pretty football anywhere - Moyes is deluding himself if he thinks that's the case.

Our problem is we are having lapses in concentration in defensive positions.

 

[kenada_blue]

That's not really the case, you don't have to play one way or the other. The aim for Moyes and the team should be to try and combine both, play good football aswell as keeping things tight and being disiplined.

We've been knocking it long all season and everyone with half a brain can see it doesn't suit nor has it ever been the way forward for successful sides.

If we want to take pressure off the back four then we have to be more disiplined and more than anything improve our distribution. If you give the ball away, like we do, then it'll just keep coming right back at you.

At the moment we are playing as simple as you can get bar the odd moment from an individual player, usually Saha. There's any craft, creativity and pretty football anywhere - Moyes is deluding himself if he thinks that's the case.

Our problem is we are having lapses in concentration in defensive positions.

Im with what moyes said. I felt we passed it around well in chunks of the game today, the hoof was minimal but existed. We certainly passed it better than Bolton. But it doesn't mean much when there's no final killer ball, or good crossing.

Today there was no cohsion in the defence with all the chopping and changing (forced upon us). We don't really have a good ball winning midfielder or midfield. Add to that the drop in concentration at the back, there's problems.

Then you've got going forward that seems to break down, don't really have an effective ball carrier or creative out let.

So when I say we should keep it simple, I meant it as looking at our problems with a depleated side and try not to play like we've got all these things mentioned and go back to basics.

Look at Stoke. They keep it simple and use their organisation and strength first, and anything else like silky passing etc comes in later if you've got the players for it.

Even Sunderland look have less capable players on paper than our team as it is, but due to their organisation and concentration, they look better than we do. The table doesn't lie.

IMO the scappy ugly everton needs to come back. The everton that plays good football will come back when the better footballers get fit

 

[harry]

agree 100% TB. as ive said in other posts, the biggest worry for me is that moyes doesn't seem to be trying to change the long ball hit and hope that puts us defensively under a lot of pressure.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Im with what moyes said. I felt we passed it around well in chunks of the game today, the hoof was minimal but existed. We certainly passed it better than Bolton. But it doesn't mean much when there's no final killer ball, or good crossing.

Today there was no cohsion in the defence with all the chopping and changing (forced upon us). We don't really have a good ball winning midfielder or midfield. Add to that the drop in concentration at the back, there's problems.

Then you've got going forward that seems to break down, don't really have an effective ball carrier or creative out let.

So when I say we should keep it simple, I meant it as looking at our problems with a depleated side and try not to play like we've got all these things mentioned and go back to basics.

Look at Stoke. They keep it simple and use their organisation and strength first, and anything else like silky passing etc comes in later if you've got the players for it.

Even Sunderland look have less capable players on paper than our team as it is, but due to their organisation and concentration, they look better than we do. The table doesn't lie.

IMO the scappy ugly everton needs to come back. The everton that plays good football will come back when the better footballers get fit

We retained possession better during spells but it was far from good football. No individual quality, no link up play down the flanks and not alot of creative passing through the middle.

It was just neat and tidy, side to side, get nowhere and go long football.

The the majority of this season we have been scrappy and ugly, it's got us nowhere. If anything we need to improve the football, you've said yourself that we do not have a physical midfield or a target man upfront, surely that wouldn't be playing to our strengths? The ball will just keep coming back time and time again, that puts pressure on the back four.

We need to cut out the lapses in concentration and improve our discipline, I'd agree with that. Playing safety first football isn't the way forward though, not with these players or the likes of Arteta and Pienaar.

 

[TX Bill]

Neville.....Yobo.....Jagielka.....Baines

Pienaar.....Arteta.....Osman.......Billy

........Anichebe.......Yakubu.............

Vaughan

And now possibly Cahill & Heitinga.

Look at that lineup you twits. ******* numpties on this site.

The next ******* person I hear say that injuries don't matter or have played very little part in how this season has started off is gonna get it from me. Perhaps a 10 day vacation from GOT.

I'm tired of the incessant moaning for the sake of moaning without taking ALL things into account.

You have been warned.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Neville.....Yobo.....Jagielka.....Baines

Pienaar.....Arteta.....Osman.......Billy

........Anichebe.......Yakubu.............

Vaughan

And now possibly Cahill & Heitinga.

Look at that lineup you twits. ******* numpties on this site.

The next ******* person I hear say that injuries don't matter or have played very little part in how this season has started off is gonna get it from me. Perhaps a 10 day vacation from GOT.

I'm tired of the incessant moaning for the sake of moaning without taking ALL things into account.

You have been warned.

Hang on mate, think your being a tab bit unfair there.

Your threatening to ban us because of our opinion on how the season is going.

Distin here is saying that yes injuries are playing a part, but it's not just injuries the players have to step up.

Learn From Benfica Mistakes – News Archive – News – evertonfc.com – The Official Website of Everton Football Club

Moyes is also saying this:

Moyes Wants More – News Archive – News – evertonfc.com – The Official Website of Everton Football Club

I think your bang out of order for threatening us with a banning order because of this. What has GOT come to when we can't put across an opinion?

Seriously unfair.

 

[Brownie]

What we need is the Yak to be fit again so he can play up front on his own. With Saha it's not quite the same, he needs more support than Yak. Then we can get back to flooding the midfield and overrunning the opposition with sheer numbers.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

What we need is the Yak to be fit again so he can play up front on his own. With Saha it's not quite the same, he needs more support than Yak. Then we can get back to flooding the midfield and overrunning the opposition with sheer numbers.

We need Pienaar and Arteta back. Anyone else is a bonus really. I can see what your saying though.

Looks like Yak's picked up an injury, hopefully it's not serious.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

We need Pienaar and Arteta back. Anyone else is a bonus really. I can see what your saying though.

Looks like Yak's picked up an injury, hopefully it's not serious.

Thing is and this is the crux of the matter, we have professional footballers making mistakes, Moyes knows it, Distin knows it. Anybody who thinks that when we get our players back we will be amazing is living on another planet.

We still have players making mistakes, as Moyes has said once they cross that white line it's up to them to put in the performances, once the side is picked and is out there, what motivation do they need?

I think it's a good debate were all having, and it's healthy that not everyone agrees, otherwise what's the point of that?

 

[Goat]

We will be amazing when we get our players back tho.

 

[TX Bill]

The problem is that the "opinion" is being put forward that it's PRIMARILY those mistakes that are being made that is the issue when no account is being made for:

1) The quality of our opposition
2) The injuries in the squad
3) Players playing out of position
4) Our current form which is woeful

When people are willing to put forward the REALITY of the situation, then I might be willing to listen.

As it stands, I'm fixing to pull a Nebbiolo and take about a month vacation from this place.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Thing is and this is the crux of the matter, we have professional footballers making mistakes, Moyes knows it, Distin knows it. Anybody who thinks that when we get our players back we will be amazing is living on another planet.

We still have players making mistakes, as Moyes has said once they cross that white line it's up to them to put in the performances, once the side is picked and is out there, what motivation do they need?

I think it's a good debate were all having, and it's healthy that not everyone agrees, otherwise what's the point of that?

I've said quite a few times that we need to cut out lapses in concentration and individual mistakes. I agree with you there, players have got be concentrate for 90 minutes plus.

But saying that, anyone who thinks that we won't improve when we get our best players back are living on another planet. We aren't JUST loosing because of individual mistakes, we are losing because we struggle to retain possession, lack craft and quality in the final third and our inexperienced and unbalanced centre midfield doesn't shield the defence well enough.

The players who are coming back will improve that, of that I have no doubts.

 

[Goat]

Just ban the clique, causing all sorts of trouble today them lerds.

For me, the team are playing badly and we have a huge injury list, which isnt really helping anybody mood at the moment, it will all be alright in the end lerds, it just needs a little faith, you gotta have faith, a faith, faithaaaaaaa.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

The problem is that the "opinion" is being put forward that it's PRIMARILY those mistakes that are being made that is the issue when no account is being made for:

1) The quality of our opposition
2) The injuries in the squad
3) Players playing out of position
4) Our current form which is woeful

When people are willing to put forward the REALITY of the situation, then I might be willing to listen.

As it stands, I'm fixing to pull a Nebbiolo and take about a month vacation from this place.

Well my friend I don't believe that once the team has been selected, and the manager has sent out his instructions that we can use injuries as an excuse for players making mistakes.

You can't blame Jagielka being injured for someone failing to clear the ball properly.

The errors are schoolboy errors so anybody in the first team squad who make them are just as accountable for anyone else, therefore injuries are not an excuse for poor performances via defensive errors.

Apart from Benfica, the quality of opposition has not exactly been stellar has it?

Fulham, Pompey, Stoke, Wolves. These are teams we need to beat, and if we don't then were not going to get back in Europe next season, were not going to attract the quality we need, and certain players may leave.

So those who are on the pitch need to step it up a notch. Moyes knows this and so does Distin, and I'm sure the rest do, but they don't seem to be learning from these mistakes.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

The problem is that the "opinion" is being put forward that it's PRIMARILY those mistakes that are being made that is the issue when no account is being made for:

1) The quality of our opposition
2) The injuries in the squad
3) Players playing out of position
4) Our current form which is woeful

When people are willing to put forward the REALITY of the situation, then I might be willing to listen.

As it stands, I'm fixing to pull a Nebbiolo and take about a month vacation from this place.

To be fair, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

And I think they are taking the things you mention into account, they just can't get there heads around it. What that says about them I don't know, lacking a few brain cells maybe?