Current Affairs Bloody Sunday Verdict

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There was collusion on both sides of the conflict where families continue to seek justice yet it is denied. Is it fair to solely mention one aspect?

In all sincerity, that is no way trying to be obtuse regarding the subject, suggest you're implying anything or lessen the suffering of one side - not at all.

However has you mentioned, the legacy issue is a complex one and in general I am concerned as where it should end and whether it will truly be balanced.
Eh ? State forces colluded with only one side of the conflict so I'm not sure what you are on about.

I made clear few posts ago that there is no hierarchy of victims so I'm not sure what you that other bit is about either. I mentioned Dublin & Monaghan because your government still refuse to release documents which could lead to prosecutions and closure of that case.
 
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Eh ? State forces colluded with only one side of the conflict so I'm not sure what you are on about.

I made clear few posts ago that there is no hierarchy of victims so I'm not sure what you that other bit is about either. I mentioned Dublin & Monaghan because your government still refuse to release documents which could lead to prosecutions and closure of that case,
Breen and Buchanan, alongside the Smithwick Tribunal, would say otherwise. That's one mere example as well.
 
Collusion between a state and forces for law and order none the less, which resulted in acts of murder. Like I asked, is it fair to just mention one side?
There is huge difference between the scale of collusion between the forces of the State who are responsible for law and order and paramiltaries, than a few rogue Gardai passing on information they shouldn't have. In many cases the perpetrators were members of both organisations.
 
There is huge difference between the scale of collusion between the forces of the State who are responsible for law and order and paramiltaries, than a few rogue Gardai passing on information they shouldn't have. In many cases the perpetrators were members of both organisations.
Perhaps this shouldn't be the place for it, for that I sincerely apologise, but I am not sure whether your point is based on naivety or something else.

A few rogue Gardai? Passing information on? It appears that you're implying that one side was rather insignificant compared with the other - that's not true.

Collusion in murder, weapons smuggling and allowing multiple suspects free passage (or to escape) is not something to be merely overlooked. Nor was it isolated.

This happened on both sides and that's inexcusable. The British forces AND those of Phoenix Park were involved in serious collusion which resulted in deaths.

If you believe it was only a few mere Garda near to the border involved with passing on 'information they shouldn't, then I am not sure where to go from there.

I am not taking one side here if that's what you think, far from it, as I will openly admit and denounce the unlawful collusion from 'my country'. It disgusts me.

Yet, it should however be balanced and open from both sides and my concern is whether this is currently the case, as wounds need to be healed for all.

With regards to the original post, I hope there is justice.
 
Perhaps this shouldn't be the place for it, for that I sincerely apologise, but I am not sure whether your point is based on naivety or something else.

A few rogue Gardai? Passing information on? It appears that you're implying that one side was rather insignificant compared with the other - that's not true.

Collusion in murder, weapons smuggling and allowing multiple suspects free passage (or to escape) is not something to be merely overlooked. Nor was it isolated.

This happened on both sides and that's inexcusable. The British forces AND those of Phoenix Park were involved in serious collusion which resulted in deaths.

If you believe it was only a few mere Garda near to the border involved with passing on 'information they shouldn't, then I am not sure where to go from there.

I am not taking one side here if that's what you think, far from it, as I will openly admit and denounce the unlawful collusion from 'my country'.

It should however be balanced and open from both sides.
It is true. If you can't see the difference between people who are responsible for law and order in their own country conspiring with paramilitaries to carry out their dirty work for them, and forces from another State with no authority to intervene passing on information, then you are blind as to what actually happened here.
 
It is true. If you can't see the difference between people who are responsible for law and order in their own country conspiring with paramilitaries to carry out their dirty work for them, and forces from another State with no authority to intervene passing on information, then you are blind as to what actually happened here.
But it wasn't just passing information on. I'll leave it there...
 
But it wasn't just passing information on. I'll leave it there...
It wasn't authorising paramilitaries to carry out murder on their behalf either.
C'mon guys. You were both talking yesterday about respecting the purpose of the thread. i.e. a memorial to those that lost their lives.

I'm sure you can find a way to carry on this discussion in another thread.
 
Perhaps this shouldn't be the place for it, for that I sincerely apologise, but I am not sure whether your point is based on naivety or something else.

A few rogue Gardai? Passing information on? It appears that you're implying that one side was rather insignificant compared with the other - that's not true.

Collusion in murder, weapons smuggling and allowing multiple suspects free passage (or to escape) is not something to be merely overlooked. Nor was it isolated.

This happened on both sides and that's inexcusable. The British forces AND those of Phoenix Park were involved in serious collusion which resulted in deaths.

If you believe it was only a few mere Garda near to the border involved with passing on 'information they shouldn't, then I am not sure where to go from there.

I am not taking one side here if that's what you think, far from it, as I will openly admit and denounce the unlawful collusion from 'my country'. It disgusts me.

Yet, it should however be balanced and open from both sides and my concern is whether this is currently the case, as wounds need to be healed for all.

With regards to the original post, I hope there is justice.

Excellent post......
 
It is true. If you can't see the difference between people who are responsible for law and order in their own country conspiring with paramilitaries to carry out their dirty work for them, and forces from another State with no authority to intervene passing on information, then you are blind as to what actually happened here.
Both resulted in the death's of innocent people
 
Both resulted in the death's of innocent people
Indeed. The point still stands though that the scale that State forces in NI colluded with loyalists paramilitaries to execute their orders was on a much higher scale than some rogue officers in An Garda Siochana turning a blind eye to republican activities. Many members of loyalist paramilitary organisations were also members of the UDR which was a regiment of the British army which made collusion a simple process.

An Garda Siochana did not conspire with paramilitaries to plant bombs in two town centres on the same day causing the deaths of 33 people for example. Neither did it conspire to execute an innocent solicitor just because he defended republicans. The interference by the people who were responsible for upholding law and order in comparison to those who did not was on a totally different level.

Apologies to those who wish this discussion to end for replying but it appears that there are some who want it to continue.
 
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