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With "We'd be in the [Poor language removed] if it wasnt for Bill deluded boy." ?
No . Saying it was him .
( You insinuated that no-one had / would . )
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With "We'd be in the [Poor language removed] if it wasnt for Bill deluded boy." ?
The only thing scary in that lot is your failure to grasp (again) that the massive increase in revenue is almost entirley down to tv monies. You should be thanking Rupert Murdoch not Bill Kenwright.
And isn't the debt figure in 2009 accounts now £41M? Much more importantly we're servicing debt to the tune of £4M per year. Most of that is interest on the 2002 arranged securitization. The interest on that loan is payable over 25 years: £37M paid in interest on the £30M secured. That's money that has to be found before the manager gets his cut for players. What did we do with that loan, btw? Put it toward building a new stadium at Kings Dock to generate more revenue? We did **** all with it that's substantial as far as I can see. Another blunder.
It's like your looking at the tip of the iceberg and not realising there's a mass of ice of greater volume under the surface.
<yawn>Oh yes, I forgot this forum is not mature people. It's for people who still act like teenagers. But at least you can slap people who act mature, isn't that cool?
Well, figures. As I don't think such stuff very mature and by your admission I'm mature it's easy to see my problem here. Of course mature forums don't need rep to boost some people's self-esteem. Me, I find it annoying that you can hand out [Poor language removed] like that to people who you disagree with. I think it was de Saint-Exupéry who said something about wanting to be able to say what you want but getting really annoyed if you try stop someone from speaking his mind - even if that person disagrees with your viewpoint.
You are obviously in the "shut up you moron, I don't like what you say" category. Sad.
I don't club seals, I club reindeer you ignorant British tory.
Yes, well I don't try to hide it, not knowlingly at least unless it's something I haven't thought of. So just to make sure, care to elaborate what this agenda of mine is?your very transparent agenda
If this is still is about the strawman thing, I have fought enough of them to bother anymore and that's why I get annoyed when someones uses them. So rather than do that I'll just point them out.higher intellectual plain.
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The first is based on stuff told by BK in the media, the impression given by Smith etc. Funny how buying Ferguson was a great deal by BK until I listed the facts (massive amounts, very little output)...You came into a discussion about Kenwright with two points. The first was an opinion about a transfer 10 years ago which can be disputed on numerous levels and can't be backed up with anything other than speculation. The other was a bit of toffeepleb propaganda you'd swallowed as truth and which you dropped like a stone.
Well, I'm happy to argue the points I have made, but not ones I haven't.Why would anyone need a strawman in the face of that?
The first is based on stuff told by BK in the media, the impression given by Smith etc. Funny how buying Ferguson was a great deal by BK until I listed the facts (massive amounts, very little output)...
As for swallowing something: I got harassed out of People's Forum for not believing the stuff they told about the Rooney saga which was extremely anti-board and anti-BK.
Sad truth is a lot of people believe everything that comes out of the club (often printed by the Echo). Like thinking that idiotic Destination Kirkby plan despite all the PROOF (as in "written down, submitted documents") to the contrary, just because some fat bugger from the club said it's the deal of the century and that's there's no plan B.
Another of my favourites is the "BK has increased the revenue this much" when the facts are it's almost entirely down to increase in TV money. Honestly, did BK do the negotiations for that?
And not only that, but when someone tries to tell about these things, some people STILL refuse to even consider their viewpoint and instead get angry.
Well, I'm happy to argue the points I have made, but not ones I haven't.
Proving some things is nigh impossible. For instance finding the BK inteviews at the time of Ferguson's second arrival could be quite tricky. And making a compilation of how people saw that transfer (that it was perceived to be something BK wanted more than Smith) would probably take weeks to complete.
Besides this is not a big issue on the face of all. Managers make bad signings as well, the main point was to argue that bringing him back was not a good idea. That the money could have been spent better.
As I said in an earlier post, my absolutely greatest gripe isn't even these f**kups, it's the way the club treats the fans. You would think that Kenwright as a fan would do something about this. On the contrary, he is part of it. Even business usually deals better with it's customers, for some reason the People's Club thinks that fans can be treated like [Poor language removed], especially if they have complaints. And of course you can lie to them (like the "facts" about Kirkby).
Expecting more abuse from those who can see no fault in Kenwright...
EDIT: I know a lot of people don't care about off-the-field stuff at all. I'm fine with that. But wouldn't it then be better not to argue about these things with people who do care? Just because you haven't followed that stuff doesn't make you more knowledgeable (and yes, there is a contradiction there) and therefore put you into a position to tell others what they think.
KEIOC hasn't been around for long enough and it's funny how you have made them the enemy. I have only read their stuff about DK and as far as I can tell, KEIOC itself does not give out other propaganda. Many of it's members obviously do, though. But could you point me to the direction of this "KEIOC" propaganda? I haven't been to their website that many times.As I expected from those who see no good and your diatribe exemplifies A typical propaganda given out by KEIOC and others, 90% (as a guess) has no basis in fact, the remainder is laughable because when proof is asked for you have none.
I have read most. This is an excellent example of this forum and it's attitudes: http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/everton-forum/24872-today-10-years-kenwright-regime.htmlCould I suggest you go to Davek profile, check the myriad of threads he has started, read the contents of each one in the hope you just may understand that we think on here, this is not Kipper and those with brains will not be led by the nose to believe lies and innuendo.
I admit this is getting to the point of blaming each other. I know it's what happens when you get frustrated (I'm guilty of it as well).This is the point Makis. Anyone who doesn't agree with people who go on the same old anti-Kenwright rants are accused of "seeing no fault" and believing all the club propaganda. It's just not true. What some won't put up with is Davek trudging out the same old cut and paste arguement with blatent untruths in it and everytime he gets called out by someone with the actual facts he disappears off again or acts contrite saying things like "at least we're not Portsmouth eh"
At which point did anyone say BK is responsible for the increase in TV money? Isn't that a strawman arguement there yourself?
And as I told just a few hours ago, financial stuff isn't the biggest thing I have against the current board.What Neiler and others point out repeatedly in threads like these is that despite that massive increase in TV income many clubs are much, much worse off now than they were and much worse off than we are now. Many of the investors some were so jealous of, even Randy Lerner at Villa, have turned out to be charlatans switching debts about and not really investing at all.
BTW, even though Kipper is very close to the club, they do not attempt to silence dissenters in the same way as GOT. Their main site (not the forum) is so pro-board it's bordering ridiculous (MBE and his stuff, ugh). The relocation forum would have been a very good place but for a few loonies like zcars who do their hardest to destroy any thread. The amount of actual information gleaned from official documents etc. by some people there was amazing. Of course the footballing forum there is a complete joke.
Wow, quite some accusations without any facts.KEIOC did nothing but abuse Bill, that same type 118 years ago years ago ended up becoming Reds because we built GP outside the city and they would leave Analfield..............psst, that is what you call history
This "top bloke" has been banned from Kipper more times than anyone else.So anyone who opposes you is a loonie, great basis for any argument, to me this Zcars lid sounds a top bloke.
My way? What is it?Now as you aren't getting your own way you hit out at this site, who by the sounds of it reject your nonsense like others have.
OK then. You might of course show a good example and show us what sort anti-Kenwright propaganda KEIOC has produced.You sarcasticly refer to the amount of information gleaned from official documents by some...........at least those documents are in the public domain, when asking the likes of you to produce evidence you always go off on a tangent as none exists...................incidentally Have a nice day