2021/22 Ben Godfrey

[BlueToff]

Mina's contract seems a real issue.

Godfrey just needs to get his fitness back.

Keane should have been sold a year ago when he was still in England squads.

Don't think it is.

He won't be getting a pay rise as he's on a lot, but he may well not want one.

It's probably his injury record that's held us back. But wouldn't be at all surprised if we renew in the coming months if he can put a sustained run together.

He's our best defender, by far, and has been for some time.

 

[BlueToff]

Good to see the club confirming he had COVID and explaining it.

Some proper daft shouts have been about from people (not just on here).

It's different for everybody but we have to basically treat Godfrey like he's coming back from injury. I can't explain what it feels like other than it's thoroughly frustrating to have your fitness knocked so much. I imagine that's much more frustrating when you're an elite athlete who is relying on fine margins to have an edge and, in Godfrey's case, relies on his physical attributes more than anything else.

 

[BlueToff]

“If the striker is too big, maybe full-back. if the striker is quick, he can play centre-back.

“I had this conversation with him two months ago."

Why did he play him at CB against Charlie Austin then? lol

 

[Drico]

It's different for everybody but we have to basically treat Godfrey like he's coming back from injury.

If he was vaccinated, yes, absolutely. If not, it's the equivalent of a player doing his hamstring during a street kickabout with his mates.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Ive been saying it for a while now, but the world of football is rammed full of OK Centre Backs.

VVD is considered the best and hes not even an 1/8th of how good the old School Nestas and Cannavaros were, look around the league, its bum city.

Who was the last team that won a Title based on quality CBs? United with Vidic and Rio?

Wes Morgan and Robert Huth

 

[BlueToff]

If he was vaccinated, yes, absolutely. If not, it's the equivalent of a player doing his hamstring during a street kickabout with his mates.

Nothing to do with that at all.

Whether he's vaccinated or not makes no difference to how it could have affected him in terms of him getting his fitness back.

I had COVID in July, 3 weeks after getting my first jab. I'm 26, so would have been in the line before 23-year-old Godfrey.

I was ill for a few days, but it took me absolutley ages to get my fitness back. I'm a keen cyclist and runner. For perspective, I cycled 110k the day before I tested positive, and 40k that day (before I knew I was positive obviously). Heart rate in the 120s/low 130s on average, averaging 28kmph.

I still, two months later, can't manage a 40k ride mate. I'm struggling to sustain power and I'm lucky if my heart rate is in the low 140s on average. I was just about back to doing them and getting my runs up when I had my second jab at the start of September and that set me back again.

I can't stress how much it can affect you long term in terms of fitness. And while I consider myself fit and healthy (Vo2 max in the top 10% for my age which ain't bad going), I'm not an athlete who is relying on their fitness and strength and power. It takes that from you - that's the biggest thing, that power and ability to recover and go again and feel just as strong. I can't describe it other than that. My mate, who is a footballer and cricketer, had no such issues with his long-standing fitness. It just affects everyone differently.

 

[Bluerover]

Nothing to do with that at all.

Whether he's vaccinated or not makes no difference to how it could have affected him in terms of him getting his fitness back.

I had COVID in July, 3 weeks after getting my first jab. I'm 26, so would have been in the line before 23-year-old Godfrey.

I was ill for a few days, but it took me absolutley ages to get my fitness back. I'm a keen cyclist and runner. For perspective, I cycled 110k the day before I tested positive, and 40k that day (before I knew I was positive obviously). Heart rate in the 120s/low 130s on average, averaging 28kmph.

I still, two months later, can't manage a 40k ride mate. I'm struggling to sustain power and I'm lucky if my heart rate is in the low 140s on average. I was just about back to doing them and getting my runs up when I had my second jab at the start of September and that set me back again.

I can't stress how much it can affect you long term in terms of fitness. And while I consider myself fit and healthy (Vo2 max in the top 10% for my age which ain't bad going), I'm not an athlete who is relying on their fitness and strength and power. It takes that from you - that's the biggest thing, that power and ability to recover and go again and feel just as strong. I can't describe it other than that. My mate, who is a footballer and cricketer, had no such issues with his long-standing fitness. It just affects everyone differently.

A very good friend of my wife said it was like living in someone else's body. Felt completely unreal.

 

[Drico]

Nothing to do with that at all.

Whether he's vaccinated or not makes no difference to how it could have affected him in terms of him getting his fitness back.

I had COVID in July, 3 weeks after getting my first jab. I'm 26, so would have been in the line before 23-year-old Godfrey.

I was ill for a few days, but it took me absolutley ages to get my fitness back. I'm a keen cyclist and runner. For perspective, I cycled 110k the day before I tested positive, and 40k that day (before I knew I was positive obviously). Heart rate in the 120s/low 130s on average, averaging 28kmph.

I still, two months later, can't manage a 40k ride mate. I was just about back to doing them and getting my runs up when I had my second jab at the start of September and that set me back again.

I can't stress how much it can affect you long term in terms of fitness. And while I consider myself fit and healthy (Vo2 max in the top 10% for my age which ain't bad going), I'm not an athlete who is relying on their fitness and strength and power. It takes that from you - that's the biggest thing, that power and ability to recover and go again and feel just as strong. I can't describe it other than that. My mate, who is a footballer and cricketer, had no such issues with his long-standing fitness. It just affects everyone differently.

The point I am making is, beyond societal obligations to others, every player has a responsibility to reduce his exposure to COVID. That means vaccination. I don't know whether Godfrey was vaccinated or not - that's his choice - but, speaking generally, if a player gets COVID after being vaccinated (and taking the usual precautions), then he has pretty much done all he can to mitigate his risk of coming down with it. If a player gets it after refusing vaccination, then he has done little to mitigate his risk. Any absence or downside owing to infection is, therefore, an unnecessary burden for the club.

We don't know the story with Godfrey - but let's just say that Fabian Delph won't be excused for COVID after effects if he comes down with COVID.

 

[Nymzee]

If he was vaccinated, yes, absolutely. If not, it's the equivalent of a player doing his hamstring during a street kickabout with his mates.

You can get COVID even if you're vaccinated.

 

[Drico]

You can get COVID even if you're vaccinated.

Yes, I am aware of that. I am speaking about players needing to take all available precautions to minimise their exposure - and the risk of being impacted.

 

[BlueToff]

The point I am making is, beyond societal obligations to others, every player has a responsibility to reduce his exposure to COVID. That means vaccination. I don't know whether Godfrey was vaccinated or not - that's his choice - but, speaking generally, if a player gets COVID after being vaccinated (and taking the usual precautions), then he has pretty much done all he can to mitigate his risk of coming down with it. If a player gets it after refusing vaccination, then he has done little to mitigate his risk. Any absence or downside owing to infection is, therefore, an unnecessary burden for the club.

We don't know the story with Godfrey - but let's just say that Fabian Delph won't be excused for COVID after effects if he comes down with COVID.

Okay I don't disagree with that.

But we'll never know whether he is or not.

People were making wild assumptions about James not being vaccinated, yet when he arrived back from Ibiza and was straight into training it meant he either a) had had both vaccine doses or b) done a two-day negative test to release. We'll never know, unless the players themselves tell us.

 

[Drico]

Okay I don't disagree with that.

But we'll never know whether he is or not.

People were making wild assumptions about James not being vaccinated, yet when he arrived back from Ibiza and was straight into training it meant he either a) had had both vaccine doses or b) done a two-day negative test to release. We'll never know, unless the players themselves tell us.

Exactly - which is why we should give Godfrey the benefit of the doubt. It was alarming hearing Steve Bruce pointing out that so many footballers were not vaccinated. Allowing for historical injustices that have made vaccination something of a taboo subject for some minorities, I'd hope that our players - like anyone, really - would have access to informed scientific facts to protect themselves and others.

 

[Nymzee]

Yes, I am aware of that. I am speaking about players needing to take all available precautions to minimise their exposure - and the risk of being impacted.

You can do all that and still get it. They're not in bubbles anymore.

 

[messymascot]

Our best defence is Coleman Mina Godfrey Digne. Godfrey is our 2nd best RB ahead of both Holdgate and Kenny. So the decision is are we better off with Godfrey at RB and Keane or Holgate CB. Or do we put Holgate there and leave Godfrey CB. That would be my preference as we are only diminishing one position where as with moving Godfrey we are diminishing 2. Holgate and Godfrey at RB are very similar as neither gives attacking threat but the do provide a solid option defensively. Both Holgate and Keane are a drop off from Godfrey in the middle.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Our best defence is Coleman Mina Godfrey Digne. Godfrey is our 2nd best RB ahead of both Holdgate and Kenny. So the decision is are we better off with Godfrey at RB and Keane or Holgate CB. Or do we put Holgate there and leave Godfrey CB. That would be my preference as we are only diminishing one position where as with moving Godfrey we are diminishing 2. Holgate and Godfrey at RB are very similar as neither gives attacking threat but the do provide a solid option defensively. Both Holgate and Keane are a drop off from Godfrey in the middle.

It isn't. At least not right now.

And Godfrey is a better RB option than Holgate for sure.