Bad ref decisions - for and against - season 2025/26

'Truly outing' wow!

I see Keane pulling an opponents hair as a red card and though not a head butt, it's violent play and scummy.
I see us being denied clear pens regularly as potential corruption.

Both viewpoints can coexist easily.

Calling Cavanagh a 'criminal' for calling out the hair pulling completely deflects from actual wrong calls we've been on the receiving end of and dilutes those arguments. It just makes us look like whingebags. He deserved the red.

We should be kicking up a fuss about the dodgy pens and letting Keane learn not to be a knob during his suspension
You are talking gash. It’s never a red card in a month of Sundays. Have you every played any kind of sport outside of competitive cake decorating?

What about reading comprehension? Go look at what the law of the game actually says. Hopefully you aren’t a solicitor!
 
The application of the laws of the game has got worse since var. I don’t know how any referee can justify Keane’s gentle hair pull as violent conduct (regardlesss of whether it was intentional or not) yet decide Hwang’s stamp/rake on the back of Armstrong’s leg as less of an issue. Which one is more likely to cause serious injury to another player?
Similarly, last night Martinelli chucks a ball at an injured player and pushes him off the pitch. Again, no action. Moyes should be showing that Hwang tackle in his press conference today and be calling it out.
 
Maybe some refs are "p^$$ays" (followers), maybe some apply common sense and are sick of seeing plumbs rolling around for no good reason.

Will be watching non-league tomorrow from the sidelines, (if it doesn't get called off for a little bit of frost in the corner), knowing I'll see some common sense approach and genuine challenges going in.
(Don't think any of the home side have long hair)
 
The whole thing is the football version of a court case where they're charging murder but you're proving manslaughter.

That shouldn't be the game
 
I remember the challenge by Tarkowski on Richarlison by their away fans at Goodison when he played for Burnley. He won the ball but absolutely smashed him afterwards. No intention to injure Richarlison but one of those classics as a defender where you do your job and then fill your boots a little bit on a striker who had most likely been backing into him all game with cheeky elbows and digs to the body. All part of the game. Yet now it's probably looked at 100 times before a red card is administered. The man on man challenge and duel throughout a game has gone. Just sad times.

I'm not talking about brainless Ben Thatcher or Vinny Jones scummy type horrible dirty fouls but proper and fair physicality.
 
While we are here when will they bring in rules/or enforce current rules to punish:

1.)Players who go down feigning a head injury when their head was clearly not touched.

2.) Players who are injured (Whether real or not) who are off the pitch and shuffle back on to waste time.
 
The whole thing is the football version of a court case where they're charging murder but you're proving manslaughter.

That shouldn't be the game
Yeah the game should just be referees doing whatever they want based off vibes right? We shouldn't expect them to make their decisions based on the actual laws of the game, they should just make the decisions they want to make. Really good point as always mate.
 
Another example of double standards in refereeing last night, Martinelli tries to push an injured player off the field, starts a melee and he gets a yellow card, Keane tugs the hair of an opponent and gets red. I still believe that these decisions are not a result of a conspiracy to protect certain teams but just sheer cowardice and incompetence. The reason I think this is that if you were perpetrating a conspiracy you wouldn’t introduce VAR which continually shows that you seem to be perpetrating a conspiracy. You would have to be unbelievably incompetent to do that. But they really are unbelievably incompetent.
 
The whole thing is the football version of a court case where they're charging murder but you're proving manslaughter.

That shouldn't be the game

As it should be, there is a law and they should gauge the incident against the laws of the game.

VAR was saying it was a red card offence, the ref should have the backbone and say 'Nah, it is not that bad to send a player off'. It was not violent conduct, it was a foul and should have been deemed as such.

It is the same in Rugby with head conduct, they set the bar at a penalty and then use the laws of the game to see if there is any mitigation. I.e. both players come into this equation.

As you rightly insinuated, it is like a court trial,but that is how it should be, whether that be in real time or by a review system. The laws are there to be used, not ignored.

In this case I think it is clear that there is enough 'mitigation' to say it is most definitely not worthy of a red, when looking at what happened against the laws for violent conduct.
 
As it should be, there is a law and they should gauge the incident against the laws of the game.

VAR was saying it was a red card offence, the ref should have the backbone and say 'Nah, it is not that bad to send a player off'. It was not violent conduct, it was a foul and should have been deemed as such.

It is the same in Rugby with head conduct, they set the bar at a penalty and then use the laws of the game to see if there is any mitigation. I.e. both players come into this equation.

As you rightly insinuated, it is like a court trial,but that is how it should be, whether that be in real time or by a review system. The laws are there to be used, not ignored.

In this case I think it is clear that there is enough 'mitigation' to say it is most definitely not worthy of a red, when looking at what happened against the laws for violent conduct.

Im more trying to say there's shouldn't be a court case on the field or off it. But the fact you have 3 people or more reviewing incidents makes it so.

No VAR means that incident gets missed and everyone gets on with their lives. The fact it exists then brings in the implementation of subjective rules and their interpretation.
 
Yeah the game should just be referees doing whatever they want based off vibes right? We shouldn't expect them to make their decisions based on the actual laws of the game, they should just make the decisions they want to make. Really good point as always mate.

Well, im an advocate of the ref having the first and last say and just using VAR when they want assistance. Not the other way round.

You've got 3+ officials looking over a game that made the decision on that incident. If we go back to our court case analogy, if the majority all agree on something they're getting that result.

That shouldn't be the game IMO. Im all for how it used to be where the ref was in charge even if they made the wrong decision.
 
Another example of double standards in refereeing last night, Martinelli tries to push an injured player off the field, starts a melee and he gets a yellow card, Keane tugs the hair of an opponent and gets red. I still believe that these decisions are not a result of a conspiracy to protect certain teams but just sheer cowardice and incompetence. The reason I think this is that if you were perpetrating a conspiracy you wouldn’t introduce VAR which continually shows that you seem to be perpetrating a conspiracy. You would have to be unbelievably incompetent to do that. But they really are unbelievably incompetent.
I’m disgusted that he wasn’t sent off last-night. I also noted that Arsenal had a quickly taken free-kick without a yellow card!

I agree, I don’t think it’s a conspiracy, just incompetence.

I’m livid about it..

We’ve had some mad decisions this season.
 

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